Trying to Reduce Toe-walking among children with Autism

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rapidroy
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31 Mar 2013, 11:34 pm

Well theres one negitive thing about toe-walking for me, I go through twice as meny shoes is most people and that costs money, then again the fix will likely cost more. I have broken the soles of my shoes in half meny times and honestly thats when they feel their best, until it rains that is.



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31 Mar 2013, 11:48 pm

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Most women don't walk that way! If you mean the ones wearing high heels, they are still distributing their weight as it falls into the shoe (irrespective of what the shoe itself could do to affect balance and posture), not consciously putting their weight onto the ball of their foot as in toe-walking.

I cannot for the life of me imagine, how toe walking, unless it's done the majority of the time, could cause shortened tendons or anything else. If you physically walk normally a lot of the time too, your ligaments and muscles are experienced in both types of walking.


That is the problem many children on the Autism spectrum may in fact toe walk almost exclusively. Toe walking here and there not a big deal, but toe walking most of the time can be bad.


It's not only toe-walkers who get tight calf ligaments. My chiropractor told me mine are a bit tight and I don't toe walk (not unless I sleep walk and do it then :lol: ) and I never have had a habit of toe-walking.

I do suspect that (whilst I don't object to corrective devices being there for those who medically need them) society's attitudes to things like toe-walking is the thing that needs adjusting rather than stopping toe-walking where it is doing no physical harm to the individual doing it.


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01 Apr 2013, 1:12 am

rapidroy wrote:
Well theres one negitive thing about toe-walking for me, I go through twice as meny shoes is most people and that costs money, then again the fix will likely cost more. I have broken the soles of my shoes in half meny times and honestly thats when they feel their best, until it rains that is.


I learned how to leatherwork ;-)



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01 Apr 2013, 5:20 am

The human body is not designed to solely toe-walk, and any unusual walking pattern can lead to problems. Like people with very flat feet - they often have a non-standard walking pattern and get problems.

In my case, I think I am not totally representative of all toe-walkers, because I also used to have those knock-knees, and I have slightly loose joints.
However, the knock knees have been resolved when I was little, and my hypermobility is not severe. I don't get sprains etc.

If I had not toe-walked it is not likely I would have the problems I have now.
But if my joints had not been so loose, I probably wouldn't have the problems either!
It's a combination of factors.
But there is so far no cure for hypermobility, so I would have benefited me if I had learned not to toe-walk as a child.

I have shortened achilles tendons and calf muscles, and my leg joints are misaligned, which causes some to hurt or 'pop' at random times. I also have plantar fasciitis. None of it is serious, but I can't run, and after long walks my feet are stiff and sore and I can't put them flat on the floor even if I want to. My hips sometimes get stuck, which is a right nuisance because when that happens I can't even lie down comfortably!

I do stretch exercises and try to walk on flat feet to avoid further problems.

I don't know why toe-walk(ed). I can't say it brings me joy. I think it was partly because I grew up in a tropical country, so walked on bare feet most of the time and I didn't like to feel things under my feet. That is not the case anymore; I am not so sensitive anymore and usually wear slippers or shoes with soft insoles.



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02 Apr 2013, 2:13 am

Cinnamon wrote:
The human body is not designed to solely toe-walk, and any unusual walking pattern can lead to problems.

If I had not toe-walked it is not likely I would have the problems I have now.

I don't know why toe-walk(ed). I can't say it brings me joy. I think it was partly because I grew up in a tropical country, so walked on bare feet most of the time and I didn't like to feel things under my feet. That is not the case anymore; I am not so sensitive anymore and usually wear slippers or shoes with soft insoles.


I think it depends on your genetics, I was tactile defensive when young, and still am to a degree, but toe walking did not effect me.

If toe walking doesn't hurt you then there's no logical reason to stop it apart from social convention.

If toe walking does hurt you then there is a reason to correct it.

P.S. The human body isn't designed to sit either, but I reckon a lot of us sit whilst typing ;-)



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03 Apr 2013, 8:12 am

Charlesmonster... the human body IS designed to sit. Just not as long as the average computer addict (like me!) does it! :)
Just like with toe-walking really; of course we are 'designed' to do that. Normally, people run on their toes.
I wrote that our bodies are not designed to SOLELY walk on the toes, and like all things done in excess, it will eventually lead to problems.

With kids, the issue is of course that you cannot know when a particular child will get joint/muscle/tendon problems from excessive toe-walking, or how bothersome the effects will be. The child may not have any problems when young - I didn't!- but the effects only come when they are older and it's really too late to do much about it. I try not to toe-walk anymore, but the damage to my joints is done and will only get worse as I get older.

Honestly, I don't care about being socially acceptable, certainly not for kids. I do care about keeping their bodies in such a shape that they can still walk when they are 40!

If I had a child who walked on her toes I would try to limit it. I'd never tell the child that it was a bad thing to do though, but I'd explain the possible consequences and tell her that if she does it less often that would probably limit the risks involved. And I'd get her soft padded boots if she liked that!
Of course it is harder if the child doesn't understand.

My son has flat feet and out-turned ankles. He was also born with a dislocated hip which has been corrected. His walking style is likely to cause him problems when he gets older, certainly because he already has an unstable hip. He knows this, At the moment he has no problems. He wears corrective insoles and tries to keep his feet straighter (with little success!) and we can only hope that those things will help limit any possible negative effects.



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03 Apr 2013, 9:04 am

Mirror21 wrote:
restlesspirit wrote:
As far as I remember I never did but I have a bit of a turnout of one foot and the typical asperger clumsiness.


I did not know that was an AS trait, My feet both do that!

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I found a great cure for toe-walking. My grandma taught it to me when I was little.

Every time she caught me toe-walking, she called me over and looked at me sadly and told me that walking on their toes was something ret*d children did, and if I didn't want people to think I was ret*d and ship me off to live in an institution I'd better quit it right now.

By the time I was ready for school, I had learned to be careful about how I walked. Keeping my eyes on my feet was good training.

Every time I caught my son toe-walking, I called him over and told him walking on the toes is something ret*d children do, then I sent him to sit in the corner for making fun of ret*d children. It took about two months for him to quit walking on his toes.

Ditto hand-flapping, spinning, sucking his sleeves. For a while he started picking up random things and fooling with them. He broke a few of his sister's headbands. I picked up one of his robots, fooled with it, then snapped it in half and screamed, "I didn't mean to!"

No more problems.

No bills for the insurance.

No missed school to get fitted for orthotics.

We now have an unobtrusive batch of stims.

It doesn't take him long to forget the hurt feelings and start smiling again.


OMG. You made him feel guilty and embarrassed about his natural behaviours and destroyed his toy and insulted people with learning disabilities.

And you are proud of what benefitted you about this.

That is absolutely awful.


I agree I am disgusted.


I also agree. That's a horrible thing to do to your son. I take it that you were a school ground bully who never grew up. Your son must love you....NOT!


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