Why do people with aspergers like psychopaths?

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As one soul had correctly pointed out that there is no such thing as a completely altruistic act. It is for your own satisfaction that you give 2 pence to a begger as you drink another glass of wine. Thus psychopaths are much more likely than aspies and NTs to provide help to others as it is for their own satisfaction provided the person in trouble does not outwordly seek help because this really annoys us psychopaths. But once we see a brave person in trouble, we are more likely than any person in the world to help them. This is the difference between you and us.

i hate psycopaths and I hate People who try to use me

As a psychopath I sometimes hate it when the team I support starts winning. So much so that I even change sides. This might explain our selfdestructive behavior as we cannot tolerate something good happening with us for too long. We like to always root for the underdog and love the Guy other people hate.

Why do guys with neurotypicalism like to beat their wives?

Absurd question, right? No more absurd than the title of this thread. I hate psychopaths.

For us psychopaths attracting people means nothing more to us than brushing our teeth. Sometimes you aspies get so obsessed with us that we have to do something that you start hating us. And we just love this fun and games. One thing I have noticed is that aspies are always attracted to psychopaths and so much so that even when we want them to hate us we are unable to do so. You might all say on this post that you hate us but in real life you are attracted to us like magnets.

You all say that we psychopaths must be suffering and be tragically limited because we can't feel and share the joy of other people.

But let me give you an example. Say you have never tasted an apple in your life. Would you miss its taste? Probably not. This is the case with us. Because we have never shared the joy of other people we do not miss it either.

mclarke, please do not make several posts in a row for the purposes of bumping the thread up the page. if you have something to add, you can edit your most recent posts for about a week.

Hyperlexion telling me not to make several posts in a row for bumping the thread up the page? Intact you should learn from me because we psychopaths have a way of getting things done no matter what. You will never understand our true motives.

Naw, dude, you're just a troll. You'll get banned sooner or later. Your behavior is rather interesting to me; it reminds me of the way younger, lower-ranking chimpanzees grimace and yell to get attention, because they know that they are too weak to overthrow the social structure and take control of their troop--and, in fact, unable to manage a troop if they were to somehow take control (it is the highest-ranking chimps who give away the most food and do the most protecting, for example). So of course you make a fool of yourself to get attention, and believe that this gives you power over others because you can force them to look at you. But in the grand scheme of things, it's entirely forgettable.

Also:
Yes, Altruism Exists

Well I like him and I'm interested in hearing what he has to say

Surely if he can fool NTs he's someone to learn from

If you want to learn to fool NTs, sure. But think about it: Do you want to learn to manipulate and deceive without caring--or do you want to learn to understand, communicate, and cooperate? A psychopath might be able to live without caring about others, but if you care, even a little bit, then that kind of approach just leads to your becoming more and more bitter, cynical, detached, and lonely--no matter how many friends you have or how popular you are--because none of them knows and likes the person you really are. They like the mask you wear, and that's all.

No, if you want to learn about socializing, the best way to do it is to learn about other people. You can talk to people at the borders of the spectrum, or older autistics, those who know more than you do but are still autistic enough to understand how to put things in terms you can understand. You can also learn from those who are highly socially skilled, because they are more likely to be able to understand you even though you are different from them--not popular folks, necessarily, but the sort of person who seems to be able to fit into any social group without compromising their own personality. You can go theoretical and learn psychology, sociology, or even theater. You can seek out people with common interests, which can serve as a bridge to communication. But learning from a psychopath? No. Even if they could teach what we needed to know, they'd only see us as amusing toys to be discarded and broken if it pleased them to do so. A psychopath knows what other people feel, but doesn't care--we have trouble finding out, but once we know, we care. Trying to learn from a psychopath would be like a bird trying to teach a clam how to fly. (Hint: Most seagulls just drop the clam onto the rocks and fish out the juicy meat inside.)

I know; I've dealt with psychopaths before--and, yes, won, despite being autistic, because I simply ignored their social charm and used my analytical ability. Being manipulative only goes so far, and believing you are superior will make you very over-confident--enough for a fourteen-year-old autistic child to learn how to investigate, uncover your secrets, and land you in jail; enough for an autistic young woman who can barely keep her job to detect a con man not by seeing through his scam but because her mental calculations don't match his claims. Once people know psychopaths truly don't care, the psychopaths either have to learn to pretend to the point of actually being helpful, or they have to move on and find someone else to con. Many of them, if they don't die or end up imprisoned long-term, do learn how to play the game to the point of not being harmful to society anymore. From what I gather, many become CEOs and lawyers, whose lives I don't envy because they are essentially alone, more alone than any autistic person can ever be.

Me--I'll stick with the folks who actually care whether I live or die, and who know that I care whether they live or die. Humans are meant to take on the world as a group, and while we'll make use of the occasional psychopath to do the lawyering, in general we're happiest when we care.

Well i don't belong to this place anyway so i don't care if i am banned. But all i wanted to put forward is how i see the world from my point of view. You aspies may learn from me how to manipulate NTs or learn how psychopaths can manipulate you. Its completely upto you. But i thought we both needed each other. An aspie won't benifit from an aspie-aspie relationship nor would they benifit from a NT-aspie relationship. But if you had a psychopath-aspie relationship it definitely would help you.
This world is a tough place to live in and even today it is the survival of the fittest. It is better to be manipulated by a psychopath and learn something in the process rather than be manipulated by an NT and learn nothing. Believe it- psychopath or not everyone is out there for their own good at the expense of others. NTs want to but can't do it like us.
I am sorry if i look like an attention seeker but that is not what i am here to do. I am writing so many posts because you won't find anywhere on the internet psychopaths putting their point of view and how they see the world. We won't see each other ever so rather banning me maybe we could learn from each other because aspies are one of the biggest challenge for psychopaths believe it or not!
I really find aspies fascinating and want to learn from you. If we work in tandom we could make the biggest force of the world. Trust me on this.
You think we lead a lonely life but we never feel lonely dear!. You can put us in solitary confinement for 3 years and we would come out like nothing has happend. I don't see any reason why you would want to pity us rather than learn from us.
And yes I have manipulated more people than you have ever met in your life. Feel free to ban me.
Finally,true alltruism does not exist!

It is not the highest ranking chimpanzees who give the most food. Its them who take the most food. They are not the ones who protect others. Rather it is the lower ranking chimpanzees who do that. Sadly, this is life.You just have it completetly wrong dear. That is what we and the world's great leaders are.That is what Alexander was. But tragically that is also what hitler,jeffery dahmer and ted bundy was! The best way to make other people work for you is making them believe what they are doing is benefiting them. This is the core belief of the psychopath in manipulating other people.
The reason we rarely get caught is because we become too bored with people and move on before they understand what has happened. And today with so much information available you think that psychopaths are much easier to catch but i tell you what it has become harder because all that information is also available to the psychopaths. Many times people fail to see the other side of the coin.

I don't think psychopaths have any particular insight. Their social perceptions are limited in such a way that whether or not they are successful at faking charm and manipulating people, that a lot of what happens around them simply goes over their head. I've seen many try to rationalize why their way is the best way to be, but I've only ever seen psychopaths ultimately wreck their own lives and the lives around them. Nothing to be proud of. Nothing to praise.

How do you make people believe things are benefiting them though?