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timkibler
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02 Jul 2005, 11:06 pm

I can see how that can be beneficial if you are dealing/evaluating a child - at least if the criteria remain consistent.
But being an adult, isn't it likely or at least possible to learn ways to compensate for the deficits? Also, an adult has to go back in memory - "was I UNABLE to interact with my peers?"
When? Age 5? 6?
"Lack of appreciation of social cues?"
Again, when? Certainly by the time one reaches teenage years they know that social cues exist but do they understand them? Do they just have other things on their minds? Stresses?
But when is a child expected to have appreciation of social cues?

I'm not picking on you, Sophist. This is a very good thing to ponder on, and again, to engage in some introspection (at least maybe it will move me to the porch, which is a great place for contemplation). But these things seem so subjective. Taking the last fortysome years into consideration I could come up with incidents and habits that indicate compliance with practically each item on the list. But when did they start and how many were submerged or sublimated over the years and how many were DEVELOPED over the years? And then what have you?
This is why this subject is so insidious and again, it seems to be that a person can say one day, after exploring sites like this, "Wow! That's me, that was me! I understand this person and they would understand me!" then another day, "Hmm, maybe it's just INTP/INTJ/INFP Introversion after all, and no more."
Plenty of thought fodder here, if nothing else.
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03 Jul 2005, 12:12 am

Judging by those criteria, I well and truly have AS. However, with the motor clumsiness, I am only clumsy sometimes and that is usually when I have a lot on my mind.

I didn't like sport and was bad at catching the ball but if I had been really interested I might not have been so clumsy. I tend to be more clumsy when I think people are looking at me with critical eyes and less clumsy when on my own.


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03 Jul 2005, 10:28 am

Depending on how well my memory could transport an objective observer to childhood years I think it could be said that I fit all of the criteria except for the Speech Peculiarities... I just don't remember. I don't remember how I compared to others my age (we lived in the country most of the time and I was pretty quiet, only child). Maybe I could fit two of them, not sure about three... you got me thinking today, again. That's good. Back to the porch of remembrance... :?



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03 Jul 2005, 11:42 am

I was a late learner of tieing my shoes. Now I have problems opening cans, and twist tieing. I am clumsy and have problems finding things.



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03 Jul 2005, 11:50 am

timkibler wrote:
I was late learning to tie my shoes (even now I have a different way of doing it, which more than one person has commented on) and I was late figuring out which was left or right.


Same with me, but I always put these things down to my dyslexia. I had trouble with ties as well, I'd sometimes forget how to do it after a sports lesson at school, that was rather hard to explain, hehe.



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03 Jul 2005, 1:04 pm

Dissenter wrote:

Same with me, but I always put these things down to my dyslexia. I had trouble with ties as well, I'd sometimes forget how to do it after a sports lesson at school, that was rather hard to explain, hehe.


I cannot and could not and will never be able to tie a proper tie.
It took awhile to fully understand left shoes and right shoes.
But when I spell I don't turn letters around, and I picked up on reading and spelling pretty easily.
i just don't recall if my speech was 'peculiar'.
Maybe it isn't that important.
It is interesting, though.



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04 Jul 2005, 9:14 am

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As I understand it, Motor Discoordination is related to the sensory dysfunction in Aspergers and other neurological disorders. So the stimming, the sensory sensitivities, balance problems, and motor discoordination are all related to a single dysfunction.


That was my understanding also. Because of sensory hypo/hypersensitivity (tactile, visual, and auditory), it is difficult for me to judge where I am in relation to other objects (people, doorways, frisbees, the ground) and it is for this reason that I am more likely to walk into people instead of around them, crash into doorframes instead of going through the doorway, miss or drop the frisbee, and lose my balance or trip and fall on an uneven surface. It is intrinsically linked to sensory issues as I understand it.



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05 Jul 2005, 12:00 am

With having balance problems, does anyone find that they look at the ground moreso than most people do? I, myself, have been known for running into low-lying tree branches because I am so overly focused on the ground. Granted, I don't fall very much because I am so cautious, so I miss ground hazards. However, air hazards are a different story. Anyone find this as well???

Apparently, my great-grandfather was notorious for doing the same and was constantly getting thwacked in the head by branches.


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05 Jul 2005, 12:01 am

Oh, and I basically brought up the Gillberg criteria to illustrate the Motor Clumsiness thing mentioned earlier.


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06 Jul 2005, 9:23 am

Sophist wrote:
With having balance problems, does anyone find that they look at the ground moreso than most people do? I, myself, have been known for running into low-lying tree branches because I am so overly focused on the ground. Granted, I don't fall very much because I am so cautious, so I miss ground hazards. However, air hazards are a different story. Anyone find this as well???

Apparently, my great-grandfather was notorious for doing the same and was constantly getting thwacked in the head by branches.


It was long before I stumbled into Asperger's (Get it? - that was completely unplanned) that I caught myself looking at the ground more than looking up when I walked. Moreso than other or most people? Don't know. I always figured it because I was thinking about things.
Emailed my dad to ask about my speech patterns when I was a child. Haven't heard back yet. It's hard to define these or know to what standards to compare.



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06 Jul 2005, 9:42 am

Once my father told me, when i picked up a piece of bread and started eating it, that i need to tear it in half, and then butter and eat each half.

I stared at him for a good 5 seconds like "Are you serious?" Then the next 10 seconds, i tried to figure out what to do. I picked up the bread, and the butter, then i remembered i need to rip the bread in half, so i first tried putting down the bread, but stopped myself and put down the butter, and then tore it in half, placed on on a place, then everything went smoothly. But there was a time there where i was like Not...... know.......what........to do.......can't.....function.


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07 Jul 2005, 1:11 am

Concentrating on the ground is also a good excuse to avoid eye contact from the opposing direction as well.

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