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16 Apr 2010, 5:01 am

damn i am one paranoid dude. Thank you for this post, ive been trying to figure out the wording and express it to someone, but I did not know paranoid meant all this.

Everythings a little clearer now. My job now is to not diagnose myself with anything more, leave that to the professionals and tell them how i feel, but i must say this helped clear up some things. i definately have irrational thoughts when talking to girls which keeps me away from them and large groups of people for sure...



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16 Apr 2010, 10:56 am

I've had to wrestle with paranoid thoughts all my life. I once read that if you don't believe the thoughts then you're not psychotic but merely neurotic. I guess that makes me neuotic.

Example: I went to perform some music at a club the other night. I was bombarded with the notion that everybody in the place hated me. My performance felt like crap and I thought everybody else did better than I did. Also I felt that everybody knew how "out of it" I was feeling, as if they were watching me and scoring me for an exam in social prowess. I knew it was all nonsense at the time but it was still affecting me emotionally as if it were true. I even noticed myself doing NT-style social stuff, fairly competently, and I could see that from the outside, there was absolutely nothing wrong. Mostly I just ride over the daft ideas and often laugh at them, but when my confidence is low they can start getting to me. The following night I played at another similar place and the paranoid feelings were gone :? It's as if something inside noticed the problem and corrected it - for now.



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17 Apr 2010, 2:01 am

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I'm constantly paranoid. My brain will never shut up, if someone says something to me I can spend the next two hours overanalysing what it means, what they mean, whether it means they hate me, etc. It sometimes doesn't take anything at all for me to think I've annoyed or upset someone, and then I worry about it constantly until I find out for definite than I haven't. I don't usually understand some of the subtler facial expressions and then, wham, paranoia kicks in (does it mean they hate me, does it mean they think I'm disgusting, etc.) Unfortunately when I worry about these things I'm too much of a coward to approach the person and ask them about it; the few times I have done this I have been physically shaking. It wouldn't bother me too much if there was any rational reason for it but most of the time I find out I haven't actually done anything wrong!

The worst time for me is the school holidays, I have little or no contact with my schoolfriends over the holidays as I go to a boarding school, so distance is an issue. After about the first week, I start thinking that the entire school has turned against me and that has been going on in my head for days now. I try to challenge these thoughts as ridiculous and illogical, but it doesn't work. The reason it doesn't work, I think, is because I keep thinking oh, last time this didn't happen, but this time it will, so prepare for the worst. Plus, my school is my absolute favourite place, I love the people there, it completely turned my life around so the thought that they have turned against me is quite scary.

Does anyone else get paranoid or know any good ways of stopping this? By the way, stopping caring about what people think isn't an option, believe me, I've tried, and I can't make myself not care. The times I've tried this all I've just pretended I don't care which made me appear to be quite a nasty person, and of course I was only pretending so it hurt just as much.


You're far from alone. While I can't give you words of comfort, I can assure you I have the same thoughts, and believe them, even in the face of evidence that says otherwise. God you sound so smart for your age. I didn't have that kind of natural insight back then.



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17 Apr 2010, 11:42 am

I have some pretty bad episodes of paranoia every so often. It's awful. :(



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23 Apr 2010, 8:24 pm

I always feel people who are giving me a complement are lying to me. Any stranger who goes out of their way to be nice to me are trying to take advantage of me somehow.



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23 Apr 2010, 10:46 pm

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I always feel people who are giving me a complement are lying to me. Any stranger who goes out of their way to be nice to me are trying to take advantage of me somehow.


I feel like that too. during episodes of insecurity.



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24 Apr 2010, 4:35 pm

tweety_fan wrote:
Todesking wrote:
I always feel people who are giving me a complement are lying to me. Any stranger who goes out of their way to be nice to me are trying to take advantage of me somehow.


I feel like that too. during episodes of insecurity.


It made me hate teachers, possible new friends, and potential girl friends. My friends were constantly yelling at me for it. They kept saying I was my own worst enemy. It might be the reason I am alone right now. :(



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25 Apr 2010, 1:21 am

Todesking wrote:
tweety_fan wrote:
Todesking wrote:
I always feel people who are giving me a complement are lying to me. Any stranger who goes out of their way to be nice to me are trying to take advantage of me somehow.


I feel like that too. during episodes of insecurity.


It made me hate teachers, possible new friends, and potential girl friends. My friends were constantly yelling at me for it. They kept saying I was my own worst enemy. It might be the reason I am alone right now. :(


but you are not alone, you are here.



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27 Apr 2010, 10:48 am

i can relate to a lot of this. not sure what to add.

i didn't even read all the posts. it was a little traumatic.

this is how i understand it as it has happened to me:
i think if you can't make sense of something / someone (like someone else's behavior or intentions) all kinds of havok can be wreaked as your brain tries to categorize the experiences somehow. it's hard to accept you just can't read people. so instead you can arrive at black and white "solutions" to the problem of being confused because it's somehow more tolerable than plain not knowing how to interpret something, over and over again. so you might interpret people as all having bad intentions as a protective measure, or because that's in alignment with your self esteem. and then this gives you a "rule" to follow, which allows you to make sense of it. but unfortunately it's a harmful and probably inaccurate rule.

when it happens, think of it as a "bad brain trip" .. like a bad acid trip, but it is your brain, unable to grasp meaning in a situation, that's causing it. and maybe next time you can remember that and it won't be so bad.

it doesn't mean you're crazy. it just means you are missing some information and your logical mind has to fill the gap with something. maybe you could learn to fill the gap with something different, eventually. i don't know what - humor? goofiness? or something that turns the focus back onto you and what you like to do instead of on what other people might be thinking about you.

does this make any sense??? i don't know. it sometimes works for me.


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29 Apr 2010, 3:21 am

katzefrau wrote:

it doesn't mean you're crazy. it just means you are missing some information and your logical mind has to fill the gap with something. maybe you could learn to fill the gap with something different, eventually. i don't know what - humor? goofiness? or something that turns the focus back onto you and what you like to do instead of on what other people might be thinking about you.

does this make any sense??? i don't know. it sometimes works for me.



You could try 'CBT' style techniques. I've used them to great effect in the past.

When you get that feeling, you need to 'tie' something onto it to reverse or alter it.

So for instance, after you get it make up a short 'silly' song about how your acting. Don't ridicule yourself, though that may make matters worse.
Because the song (or whatever) is 'silly' it will stick in your memory better, because it has a good level of 'unique' or 'stangeness' about it. Also a song, has a pattern and order to it. This again helps with memory. It also defines a context and not just a specific thing (like don't do it again does), that will help that context come into play when you experience the context that made you feel that way again.

Takes time and practice (months not years for most things for me), make sure your not harsh on yourself, make it positive humor or sillyness, because you don't want to start feeling s**t and your trying to alter something that's 'negative' so you need something that opposes that negativity or 'feeling'.


Other things you could try doing are perhaps meditating for a good while, and regularly and recalling situations where you've acted in ways that you don't feel are good. And then thinking about how you could have acted differently, how that would make you 'feel' and what you should look out for next time to make you act in that more productive way. Try to mediate out the 'bad' bits and replace them with 'good' bits. Imagine the bad bits being replaced, observe the changes that this would make etc....



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05 Jun 2013, 8:17 pm

YES! However, I'm not sure that it is paranoia (oops, maybe this means I'm truly paranoid 8O ??? ) I always think people don't like me. However, they have valid reason not to, because my social skills suck. Also, I seem to get signs that people don't like me that are not too far off (e.g. they are talking to everyone else but me). And when a person doesn't like you, you're really vulnerable.....so I really don't know about this paranoia thing. In Aspergers, could it be something valid? I mean, without friends, isn't the world a scary place? Don't people pretty much cover people's butts if they are your friend, and if you're without friends you're at whim to the elements? Horrible things happen to people who don't have support. A few escape from the hellfire lucky, but having no allies means you are completely vulnerable. Gosh, is this paranoid thinking? BTW, I find it interesting that there appears to be no name for "paranoia about people not liking you, hating you and such."

There are "ideas of reference" and "delusions of persecution" but neither quite seem to fit if indeed it is true paranoia.



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05 Jun 2013, 8:46 pm

Yes. When I'm, say, working on something and lose my work and feel really bad, I think everyone around me has caught on to it and they're now talking about me and laughing about it. Things that were once familiar now seem harsh and unforgiving.

Once, when I moved my stuff into my new apartment in broad daylight and there was a man nearby who was standing and smoking his cigarette, I became suspicious that he meant to pressure me into sexual indiscretions, so I stayed as discreet as possible and avoided eye contact.

I'll sometimes mistake a cord or something for a person running at me, coming to get me.



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06 Jun 2013, 1:29 am

I get very paranoid when I don't take my antidepressants. My mum is my best friend and has always been the person I am closest to since I was a baby, and when I get paranoia I am convinced that even she hates me and is trying to get away from me. I have nightmares that involve her and her boyfriend moving away and me coming hone to an empty house, not knowing where they have gone. I think a lot of that is down to the fact that her last boyfriend was horrible, but neither my mum, nor her current boyfriend, have ever done anything to hurt me, and when I am on my medication I know that they would never abandon me. I think it is a fear of losing the one person I am close with - combined with thinking she deserves better from me. Have you ever been on medication? It isn't the answer for everyone but it certainly was for me. I hope that somehow it gets easier for yoy.



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06 Jun 2013, 9:15 am

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Does anyone else get paranoid or know any good ways of stopping this? By the way, stopping caring about what people think isn't an option, believe me, I've tried, and I can't make myself not care. The times I've tried this all I've just pretended I don't care which made me appear to be quite a nasty person, and of course I was only pretending so it hurt just as much.


I have the same kind of paranoid/anxious thoughts. The one thing that helps me is to remind myself that most other people don't care enough about me to hate me, dislike me, or even bother with a negative thought about me. It's not the same thing as not caring what they think, because I do still care, but it helps me keep things in perspective when I start worrying.



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06 Jun 2013, 12:33 pm

NTs get paranoid about certain things, but I get paranoid of other things they may not so much. Like most NTs that I know seem to think that if they talk about somebody, they think that person is going to hear, even if the person they are talking about lives like a mile away or something. But they believe this irrational thought and start whispering, even if they are sitting in a house with all the windows shut. It annoys me. As if people have got super hearing and can listen to everything that is being said.

I don't get paranoid about that, unless the person I want to talk about is in sight and is within good hearing shot. I get paranoid with other things, but I think it all comes down to social phobia/anxiety with me.


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06 Jun 2013, 12:34 pm

Not being paranoid - they really are out to get you.

Old ones are best.