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28 Jul 2013, 11:51 pm

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Thats awesome and nothing to be ashamed of, of course I have had meny issues with this in the past however I think age is helping out with getting over it. Of course I have not told my dad about my newest special intrest as far is music becouse he will dis-approve I think and he does not have to know anyway, he does not live here. When I began building guitars myself only my mom knew what I was doing and being the artistic type herself she gave me moral support, I figured she would. My biggest fear and source of anxiety is disapproveal so I have to think of what would make my folks and friends disapprove of my given plains and actions and do I or should I ultimately care or need to care.

If you plan to pay for the accordion thats issue one over with, I'd maybe just say Mom, Dad I want to learn the accordion and my music teacher thinks its a great idea(if thats the case), dinner time is a great time for this, just pick your time carefully. If paying for lessions is an issue then just teach yourself how to play. It likely won't come as a surprise to them if you regularly fill the house or your room with accordion music. Face it, where are you going to hide an accordion and where are you going to practice? Perhaps you can drop hints like leaving a classified ad site like Kijiji with the accordion search open mid-page, I have did things like this in the past to worm people up to the idea of things and to make them ask the question, if they ask the question you can kind of gauge the responce they give and go from there. As a 17 year-old you can use that to your advantage aswell, You can do almost whatever you want.

Please don't give up on your special intrest becouse of this.

I don't "fill my house or my room with accordion music" because I rarely share my music with people. The music I do share with people is indie rock and electronica. I never put my iPod on shuffle when I'm sharing my music because I'm afraid some accordion music will pop up on shuffle. I've always been self conscious about my music taste. Even when I only listened to mainstream pop. I can hide an accordion at my music teacher's house where I take lessons. She even said she could try to borrow one for me to try out. Then I won't have to pay for one. I'm not sure how long she will be able to keep it. Right now I'm perfecting my ability to practice playing an instrument in my head. It has worked wonderfully with the piano and violin. I could mentally practice the violin before I had access to one, so I'm trying my best with accordion right now. Since I'm naturally obsessive this works well. It will probably work even better with the accordion since I'm obsessed with the accordion, but not the piano or violin.
I wish I could mentally practice my guitar like that, maybe I could if I tryed. Anyway, I think the biggest fears most parents of teenagers have is them coming home and announceing their pregnant, excessive partying, drinking and drugs, their role in illegal actitives, having the police show up on their door step etc. Try comparing "mom, dad I want to learn the accordion" to the list I made above, it does not compare and the fact that you want to/continue spend your spare time learning an insturment may be a huge releaf to your family. I am frequently guilty of doing such silly things myself so I will admit I am not much to talk (however trying to get better) however this issue you have really is silly. I thought music was suppost to be a form of self expression among other things, Its hard to express when your having to hide it. Since I know this issue matters to you, you should be aware that this may be a case were trying to hide your AS is actually sort of making it express even more.

I should not have used "fill the house", rather when people are around I just play my music prefrence just loud enough to make my happy in the room I am in and if someone comes in to join me then I figure its their choice to listen so they can deal with it.



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29 Jul 2013, 12:34 am

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Thats awesome and nothing to be ashamed of, of course I have had meny issues with this in the past however I think age is helping out with getting over it. Of course I have not told my dad about my newest special intrest as far is music becouse he will dis-approve I think and he does not have to know anyway, he does not live here. When I began building guitars myself only my mom knew what I was doing and being the artistic type herself she gave me moral support, I figured she would. My biggest fear and source of anxiety is disapproveal so I have to think of what would make my folks and friends disapprove of my given plains and actions and do I or should I ultimately care or need to care.

If you plan to pay for the accordion thats issue one over with, I'd maybe just say Mom, Dad I want to learn the accordion and my music teacher thinks its a great idea(if thats the case), dinner time is a great time for this, just pick your time carefully. If paying for lessions is an issue then just teach yourself how to play. It likely won't come as a surprise to them if you regularly fill the house or your room with accordion music. Face it, where are you going to hide an accordion and where are you going to practice? Perhaps you can drop hints like leaving a classified ad site like Kijiji with the accordion search open mid-page, I have did things like this in the past to worm people up to the idea of things and to make them ask the question, if they ask the question you can kind of gauge the responce they give and go from there. As a 17 year-old you can use that to your advantage aswell, You can do almost whatever you want.

Please don't give up on your special intrest becouse of this.

I don't "fill my house or my room with accordion music" because I rarely share my music with people. The music I do share with people is indie rock and electronica. I never put my iPod on shuffle when I'm sharing my music because I'm afraid some accordion music will pop up on shuffle. I've always been self conscious about my music taste. Even when I only listened to mainstream pop. I can hide an accordion at my music teacher's house where I take lessons. She even said she could try to borrow one for me to try out. Then I won't have to pay for one. I'm not sure how long she will be able to keep it. Right now I'm perfecting my ability to practice playing an instrument in my head. It has worked wonderfully with the piano and violin. I could mentally practice the violin before I had access to one, so I'm trying my best with accordion right now. Since I'm naturally obsessive this works well. It will probably work even better with the accordion since I'm obsessed with the accordion, but not the piano or violin.
I wish I could mentally practice my guitar like that, maybe I could if I tryed. Anyway, I think the biggest fears most parents of teenagers have is them coming home and announceing their pregnant, excessive partying, drinking and drugs, their role in illegal actitives, having the police show up on their door step etc. Try comparing "mom, dad I want to learn the accordion" to the list I made above, it does not compare and the fact that you want to/continue spend your spare time learning an insturment may be a huge releaf to your family. I am frequently guilty of doing such silly things myself so I will admit I am not much to talk (however trying to get better) however this issue you have really is silly. I thought music was suppost to be a form of self expression among other things, Its hard to express when your having to hide it. Since I know this issue matters to you, you should be aware that this may be a case were trying to hide your AS is actually sort of making it express even more.

I should not have used "fill the house", rather when people are around I just play my music prefrence just loud enough to make my happy in the room I am in and if someone comes in to join me then I figure its their choice to listen so they can deal with it.

I pretty much always listen to music on headphones or earbuds, so it's unlikely my mom has heard me play accordion music. I'm kind of jealous of your interest in guitars. I've tried taking up the guitar several times and I could never connect to the guitar. I also have what I call guitar-deafness. I have trouble hearing chord changes and emotion in guitar music. If you look on my last.fm profile you will notice a lack of rock music. It's pretty annoying that I'm interested in an uncool instrument like the accordion. I don't think anyone my age would accept me if I played the accordion and they knew about my Asperger's. Those two things are nerdy in a bad way.
I also don't think my parent's would be relieved if I told them about this. Being depressed and anxious is pretty normal for me anyways.


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29 Jul 2013, 9:02 am

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I pretty much always listen to music on headphones or earbuds, so it's unlikely my mom has heard me play accordion music. I'm kind of jealous of your interest in guitars. I've tried taking up the guitar several times and I could never connect to the guitar. I also have what I call guitar-deafness. I have trouble hearing chord changes and emotion in guitar music. If you look on my last.fm profile you will notice a lack of rock music. It's pretty annoying that I'm interested in an uncool instrument like the accordion. I don't think anyone my age would accept me if I played the accordion and they knew about my Asperger's. Those two things are nerdy in a bad way.
I also don't think my parent's would be relieved if I told them about this. Being depressed and anxious is pretty normal for me anyways.


I have had intrest and played a few instruments with varing sucess over the years being much more diverse when I was obsessed with alt folk, this in my teenage years, some odder thenn other, aside from the fact that my current special intrest is grunge music, actually more so Alice in Chains beleave it or not and for most of the same reasons I liked the alt folk(sadly even this more mainstream intrest still has me at odds again with my age group and most people in general) I chose to play the guitar over the others becouse the guitar sounds good by ifself and since I have no anyone to play with thats a good practical reason, if I had someone to lead I might take up mandolin, harmonica or resonater guitar again although I don't know if my ears will handle the pitch of those anymore. Honestly non-players are always impressed with anyone who can play something, anything, even if all you can do is a simple 3 chord song so don't worry. I think is not a bad idea to keep new special intrests to yourself until you know where its going however now maybe the time to lift the vail on this one, thats what I did with all of my music related ones.



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29 Jul 2013, 10:32 am

I think it's a shame that you want to hide your accordion special interest. The only interests that I think warrant "hiding" are ones that could be viewed as socially inappropriate in some way, but I don't consider the accordion to fall in this category. I don't think there's anything wrong with asking your parents for lessons. On the contrary, I think wanting to learn a new instrument is worthy of pride and self-discipline. I agree that you should "go for it"! :wink:


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29 Jul 2013, 10:37 am

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I pretty much always listen to music on headphones or earbuds, so it's unlikely my mom has heard me play accordion music. I'm kind of jealous of your interest in guitars. I've tried taking up the guitar several times and I could never connect to the guitar. I also have what I call guitar-deafness. I have trouble hearing chord changes and emotion in guitar music. If you look on my last.fm profile you will notice a lack of rock music. It's pretty annoying that I'm interested in an uncool instrument like the accordion. I don't think anyone my age would accept me if I played the accordion and they knew about my Asperger's. Those two things are nerdy in a bad way.
I also don't think my parent's would be relieved if I told them about this. Being depressed and anxious is pretty normal for me anyways.


I have had intrest and played a few instruments with varing sucess over the years being much more diverse when I was obsessed with alt folk, this in my teenage years, some odder thenn other, aside from the fact that my current special intrest is grunge music, actually more so Alice in Chains beleave it or not and for most of the same reasons I liked the alt folk(sadly even this more mainstream intrest still has me at odds again with my age group and most people in general) I chose to play the guitar over the others becouse the guitar sounds good by ifself and since I have no anyone to play with thats a good practical reason, if I had someone to lead I might take up mandolin, harmonica or resonater guitar again although I don't know if my ears will handle the pitch of those anymore. Honestly non-players are always impressed with anyone who can play something, anything, even if all you can do is a simple 3 chord song so don't worry. I think is not a bad idea to keep new special intrests to yourself until you know where its going however now maybe the time to lift the vail on this one, thats what I did with all of my music related ones.

I'm not too worried about being good at the guitar. I just happen to not enjoy playing it and I don't think they sound good on their own in my opinion. I think guitars sound the best in a band and a minimum for me is at least a singer. I don't like the sound of my own voice, so that's a bit of a problem.


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29 Jul 2013, 10:54 am

Here is how I see this:

Do you know how many kids have random "flighty" interests in their teens? How many kids are sooooo into the guitar, ice skating, skateboarding, or something else that requires a certain amount of expensive gear, only to have that gear sitting dusty in their closets just a few months later? I'm not saying this to say, "I don't think you'll stick with it." I'm saying it to say, "A teen wanting to buy something totally random, like an accordion, is actually pretty normal. What is "abnormal" is the fact that there's an excellent chance that you will, unlike most other kids, stick with it! Which will be nice for your parents. They won't have to see the expensive "gear" collecting dust in the attic." :D

If all else, could you ask a few relatives if they could go in on one for you for a birthday/Christmas? If you're given one as a gift, do you feel like that would be an easier way to explain having it in your home and being interested in it?

Or, you could do something like this: "Hey, mom. My music teacher has had an accordion laying around lately, that she let me play. I didn't expect it, but I actually really love playing it, and am interested in getting one of my own! If I stick with it, playing the one that my music teacher has, do you think it would be okay for me to buy one to have at home?" Then, it won't seem like an interest that "sprang from nowhere," and she'll know that you have a real interest in it; it won't be some "flighty" thing that you'll abandon.

When it comes to peers thinking it's weird, so what? Are you really that interested in every thing that all of your friends/classmates love? I'm sure that there are some things that they are really into that you don't "get," or really dislike. But, if they're a friend, you'd still like them, right? So, give them that benefit of the doubt. If they really like you, they'll either be happy for you about the accordion interest, or they will be neutral about it.


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29 Jul 2013, 11:02 am

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I don't think anyone my age would accept me if I played the accordion and they knew about my Asperger's. Those two things are nerdy in a bad way.


Accordion music is great! I always tell people "who cares what anyone else thinks of you, as long as you are happy with who you are and what you are doing, they can go bugger-off". Now I understand most people want to accepted by their peers, but I gave notion along time ago. As for your family, I'm curious as to why your mother would be against letting you take accordion lessions, if you were my child I'd be all for it. Music interest of any kind is good IMHO.

I hope that you get your accordion lessons and be able to make some great music!



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29 Jul 2013, 11:25 am

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I don't think anyone my age would accept me if I played the accordion and they knew about my Asperger's. Those two things are nerdy in a bad way.


Accordion music is great! I always tell people "who cares what anyone else thinks of you, as long as you are happy with who you are and what you are doing, they can go bugger-off". Now I understand most people want to accepted by their peers, but I gave notion along time ago. As for your family, I'm curious as to why your mother would be against letting you take accordion lessions, if you were my child I'd be all for it. Music interest of any kind is good IMHO.

I hope that you get your accordion lessons and be able to make some great music!

My mom doesn't seem to like accordion music. I'm already taking music lessons, so I don't think she will want to buy a musical instrument she doesn't even like and extra lessons with someone else.


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29 Jul 2013, 11:26 am

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My mom doesn't seem to like accordion music. I'm already taking music lessons, so I don't think she will want to buy a musical instrument she doesn't even like and extra lessons with someone else.


Again, then, do you think that you could convince a few relatives to "go in on one" together for a gift-giving occasion? Then, at least your mother wouldn't have to buy it.


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29 Jul 2013, 11:33 am

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My mom doesn't seem to like accordion music. I'm already taking music lessons, so I don't think she will want to buy a musical instrument she doesn't even like and extra lessons with someone else.


Again, then, do you think that you could convince a few relatives to "go in on one" together for a gift-giving occasion? Then, at least your mother wouldn't have to buy it.

Most of my relatives live in Ecuador, so that is a bit tricky. Right now I'm just hoping my music teacher to get a hold of one for me to try out.


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29 Jul 2013, 11:41 am

I couldn't used to be able to hide my obsessions. When I was a teenager at school I used to talk about my obsessions a lot to my friends, which is what caused the break-ups with them. They then lectured me one day saying to me that I'm ''so obsessed'', and that I need to keep it to myself a bit more. Then one of them became my best friend for the very last year I was at school before I went on to college, and she got to a point where if I even hinted about any of my obsessions she would not talk to me for some minutes, but remained a bit huffy for the rest of the day basically. That was hard because although it strictly taught me to not express my obsessions even in the slightest to any friends ever again in my life, it got annoying when I was talking about something totally different but just happened to be slightly similar to my obsession. For example, I was obsessed with window-cleaners who had a white van, and if I was to say something like, ''my dad was trying to pull out of our drive but there was a white van stuck in the way'', she would, you know, even though there's a thousand white vans about and I wasn't even thinking about my obsession or intending to talk about my obsession.

Now I have got different friends who don't know about my current obsessions (I don't have an obsession with window-cleaners any more. I have hinted to them that I liked something but they don't know it's an obsession to me and I have learnt not to talk about my obsessions so much to friends so I'm OK now.


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29 Jul 2013, 12:35 pm

Theres a big difference between hiding and not volenteering infomation, now a days I rarely volenteer information about my special intrests unless it fits well within the context of the interaction, someone asks, is interest also etc. It would be best if you could find a free accordion or buy it yourself, the hardest part for me anyway was usually the asking for money to fund my special intrest, I got a job young so I could skip this part. Try Freecycle, Kijiji, classifieds, ebay, Pawn shops, thrift shops etc. anywhere undervalued things like accordians are dumped and sold for next to nothing.

I always disliked my singing voice and voice in general and always refused to sing all my life, perhaps thats part of why I have been drawn to grunge and meny alt folk artists, most of them have poor voices too! And people love them for it.



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29 Jul 2013, 1:16 pm

I agree in that it's really tough to hide special interests. I wouldn't suggest not talking about them altogether: you absolutely need an outlet. From reading this thread and discovering that you're really into certian kinds of music, you can always try reaching out to people on last.fm who have similar tastes as you. People there are very friendly and I get messages from them all the time: I'd say that would be a great place to start for you.

Another option is to find a professional that can act as someone you can "vent" your special interests to: this was a therapy for me that was in place for me as a kid when my special interests took over my life. I also "vent" about my current special interests to my current therapist and find it extremely stress-relieving and liberating for me. Perhaps you could enlist the assistance of someone who understands ASD and is willing to listen as well. Just some thoughts :)


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29 Jul 2013, 10:10 pm

I have had to hide a lot of special interests over the course of my lifetime. Most recently, I tried to channel one interest into writing a book on the subject, but I found myself wanting to discuss it even more. Then, my husband started saying that no one wanted to hear about my interest, and I continued writing in secret until I burned out. Now, many people around me are urging me to finish the book, but their interest hasn't been adequate to resurrect my own passion for it.

Were I to do it over again, I wouldn't have buried my interest or tried to keep it to myself, because doing so made me feel it was something to be ashamed of--which, consequently, has made me ashamed of myself. Our identities are inextricable from our passions, and hiding the latter means negating the former. Get an accordian, and play--loudly, and often--and if anyone complains, realize that it is only because they are envious that you can do something a lot more interesting than anything they are doing!

As a child, I begged my mother for a fiddle. She signed me up for piano lessons, clarinet, voice...anything but fiddle. When I moved out on my own and found a job, one of my first purchases was an old fiddle, which I spent six months restoring on my own. I still can't play anything beyond a few basic tunes, but it is soothing to me and helps me to think. A number of my acquaintances have taken an interest in the fiddle too, and I enjoy sharing it with them when they want to try their hand at playing. Even if I am not the best fiddler, I am far better at it than any other instrument I tried, because my interest has always been genuine.



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As a writer I collect odd bits of information about all manner of odd or unusual topics in the same manner that other people collect stamps. I can certainly empathize with a reluctance to share your knowledge/interest with others while at the same time struggling to suppress your enthusiasm for something that you find to be unimaginably cool and which other people simply do not comprehend. It can be disappointing and frustrating, even embarrassing, to share something I find really interesting with someone only to realize that they are looking at me like I am some sort of alien life-form. It hurts, doesn't it? You don't have to be Autistic to experience that.

But here is the thing. The failure is not on your end. It is on theirs. They do not have the gift that you have. They can't see what you see. You have to dumb it down for them. You have to explain it in ways that their feeble imaginations can grasp. Can you overcome their limitations? Only if you try. Each one of those discreet bits of information that I thought was cool and other people just didn't get is like a single piece in a jigsaw puzzle. I take all of those little pieces and assemble them together into a larger picture when I write my stories. Suddenly, those weird bits of information now become cool to other people because I have strung them together in a format that they can understand and relate to. If I hadn't first experienced the joy of discovering all those disparate pieces of information they never would have gotten the joy of discovering the story. I did that, not them. Without me they would be just the same as they were yesterday and the day before. Their lives would be lesser because I let their failure become my own.

You mentioned that you also listen to Electronica. Have you ever considered how you could combine your accordion music with other styles of music or instruments? One of the newest musical trends in my area is Electro-Swing which is a style of music combining traditional Swing with contemporary styles like House and Hip Hop. If you've been to a bookstore in the last year you have seen an explosion in the Steampunk genre of fiction. Steampunk (as a literary style) combines classical Victorian era tropes and conflicts with modern punk sensibilities and resolutions. Both of these examples illustrate combinations that were unheard of before some creative, adventurous soul chose to step away from the herd and try something different. How do you know you do not have the seed of the next musical evolution inside of you? I readily admit that I am not a musically minded person. I cannot play an instrument nor can I carry a tune. I cannot hear the joy you find in accordion music unless you share it with me. If you do not share your interest that excitement and that joy is something I can never experience. See, you think you need these other people to give you their support and say nice things about you but the truth is that they need you much more than you need them. You can always say nice things about yourself but they cannot do what you do. They need you. You do not need them.

I'm not going to tell you there won't be some people who will laugh at you or bully you. There are always small-minded people out there who are going be afraid and who are going to feel threatened by anyone who aspires to be more than just another sheep in the herd. I'm not going to tell you that it isn't going to hurt when they do it either. It does hurt. We all want to be liked and it is scary to think you are alone and without support. I will tell you that you will never be happy until you are true to your own talents. The hurt will not stop if you can just blend in with everyone else. The hurt will only stop when you show the world the great things you can do.



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30 Jul 2013, 12:42 am

For anyone who says the accordion is too strange or whatever... ask if they've ever heard of Weird Al Yankovic. That ought to shut them up for a while. :lol: :lol:


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