Is Asperger's Evolution in Process?

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Not only did i NOT say that. I said the exact opposite- starting a family is heavily reliant on a getting a good job. My point was that both things that autistics are bad at-reinforce each other.

Your claim that a low functioning autistic person like the Rain Man could get a spouse as easily as a typical NT- is what Carl Sagan called "an extraordinary claim that demands extraordinary proof"( like the belief that Bigfoot lives in your backyard). Ordinary proof is not enough. You need to produce EXTRAORDINARY proof for the preposteroous assertion. I dont need to produce anything.

YOU produce the [extraordinary] evidence that autism is not impedence to finding a mate.

Rubbish. Visit trailer parks or council estates and see how succesfull those that don't have good jobs can and do procreate.

Aspies and auties lack the social skills to become parents whether theyre trailer trash or not. Trailer trash people with kids are usually NTs, or ADHDers.

Dude-the question is: is autism "evolution in action"?

If if the human race were evolving that way it would mean an increase in proportion of people being autistic in each generation. That in turn would presumably be the result of some reproductive advantage to being autistic. You not only have to prove that it isnt a disadvantage, but that its an actual advantage.

So... prove it!

Last edited by naturalplastic on 27 May 2014, 6:54 am, edited 1 time in total.

Be careful what you wish for... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dementia#Causes

"There are three classes of people: those who see, those who see when they are shown, those who do not see."

"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Leonardo_da_Vinci

At one time I thought so, but not anymore.

Presently I am under the opinion that a society needs a few of us to come up with great ideas, to make sure the ledger balances to the penny, to not mess up a surgery, and to play that instrument like no one else can.

I am under the opinion that some countries have a higher incidence of ASD for example, India and Japan.

I can also see the benefits of being able to work together in a team. One wolf can't take down the moose but a whole pack can. Same sort of thing at work, however painful it is for an Aspie to fall into line and act like everyone else.

First off I ain't no dude.
It was easy enough for Darwin to observe consecutive generations of finches for physiological changes. Now they use fruit flies to observe generational changes.
And it is easy enough for humans to be delusional enough to believe that evolution is something that would ultimately benefit society as we know it.
ASD would have been present long before the first diagnosis.

Is infertility in NT's evolution in action; or are the majority of IVF interventions related to ASD'ers?
IVF rates are on the up, nice little graph here http://www.hfea.gov.uk/2588.html to satisfy your pathological need for proof.
So why, if an NT mind is the evolutionary favourite would so many be infertile?
That is pressuming most of those that have babies the IVF way are NT of course. Proof should be easy enough to find only don't ask me what search words to use (tried all sorts might come back on this...)
Found you this in the meantime
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_vitro_f ... tilisation

Personally I have no need for proof.
Just like Da Vinci had no need to prove the viability of his 'flying machine'.
It's a "synergy between understanding and intuition" to me...
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONTb86mQzJ8&index=9&list=PLDAD20D9584DAD259[/youtube]

?Science, my boy, is made up of mistakes, but they are mistakes which it is useful to make, because they lead little by little to the truth.? Jules Verne

And only Time will tell...

And in the case of Jules Verne... you can go around the world in less than 80 hours now

And "we" prefer to conveniently forget about all the NT's who have to resorts to IVF to procreate.
Evolution favours balance.
How much longer will humanity embrace a society that has no interest in balance?

Is there a study that shows a larger proportion of NTs using IVF over autistics?

Why is IVF relevant anyway?

No idea as to wether there is a study that shows which % of IVF recipients are NT and what % are ASD but ultimatelly it would be logical to hypothise that the majority fit the NT criteria.
The first test tube baby was born in the early seventies and only in the nineties did Apergers become a diagnosis. So you got a 20-year gap to start with.
As by the Natural Plastics's reasoning you need good social skills and a good job to start a family.
Somewhere I read the average cost in the US of IVF treatment is $12000 and even then you are not guaranteed success.

People use IVF because they can't make babies the natural way.
So DESPITE their social abilities AND their ability to find good jobs (that enabkles them to afford the luxury of IVF) they should be able to procreate. But they CAN'T without the interference of technology.

Why is it logical that the majority fit the NT criteria?

Most people can procreate without the interference of technology anyway. I don't really understand how IVF fits in to evolution. If our species were dependent on a technology that has only been around for 40 or so years, we would have died out.

You refer to NT individuals as a collective ('their'). I don't really see how IVF is NT exclusive, and I presume the proportion per group is small and very similar for NT and ASD.

How does any of this make ASDs the next step in evolution?

The Myth of Einstein's Brain(click)

Neuromythology of Einstein's brain(click)

And the rest of your argument I disagree with, the idea that you have to be a bit autistic in order to be innovative. I don't believe that's true at all.

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Let me cut and paste one of my statements:



I did not say that you have to be "a little bit autistic" in order to be innovative. What I did say, is that a typical NT brain would never have thought of some of the inventions, not all of them.

And Einstein was NOT a typical person, and his brain was NOT typical either. As to Autism, I already said that this can be argued, I don't know whether he was or not, what I do know (because he said so himself) is that he often thought in images.

"In his lecture at Einstein's memorial, nuclear physicist Robert Oppenheimer summarized his impression of him as a person: "He was almost wholly without sophistication and wholly without worldliness ... There was always with him a wonderful purity at once childlike and profoundly stubborn."

"A study, "The cerebral cortex of Albert Einstein: a description and preliminary analysis of unpublished photographs", was published on November 16, 2012, in the journal Brain. Dean Falk, an evolutionary anthropologist at Florida State University, led the study - which analysed 14 recently discovered photographs - and described the brain: "Although the overall size and asymmetrical shape of Einstein's brain were normal, the prefrontal, somatosensory, primary motor, parietal, temporal and occipital cortices were extraordinary."

Just sleep it off.

Whatever drug you just overdosed on-just sleep it off.

Dont know what any of this has to do with the subject.
Whether aspies or Nts need IVF or not has nothing to do with it.
I already explained that: you can have functioning gonads, but if you cant a date you're not gonna reproduce.


Basically you're admitting that if you apply Darwin's theory of evolution via natural selection to the question there would be no basis for thinking that "autism is evolution in action".

But you're convinced that it is evolution in action anyway, but you just can't articulate why you think that. And were just going in circles about it.

The fact that some tiny percent of NTs get IVF doesnt stop the human race from doubling in population size every two years. Many, many, many, times more people use contraceptives than use IVF.

I don't think in words and never have done for as long as I can remember so no, I am not very good at articulating my thoughts.

But for you to say that ASD'ers are more prone to not finding mates or good jobs any more than NT'ers. Ever heard of dating agencies?

I definitely think so.