Is there really a point to life for autistics?

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06 Oct 2013, 12:34 pm

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IF you see the socializing as a 'natural' function of a biological imperative that is often acted out with no conscious consideration...well, what you're looking at is about as meaningful as the monkey troop at the zoo.

Perhaps our difficulty with fulfilling this social imperative actually leads to a higher level of consciousness...After all, we actually have to think through our actions most of the time and are painfully aware of things that NT people take for granted. Over time, the skills tend to improve.

This is not a bad thing.


Exactly.

I personally don't feel the drive ("need") to procreate, adopting humans would be great. I have a cat and I put her life before mine..
I am knowledge driven, a fact storer and someone that loathes confusion. I view the future as time to reach goals, appease my curiosity and to build MY ideal life.


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06 Oct 2013, 12:57 pm

Socialization isn't my main purpose in life, but it helps me to preserve my sense of purpose and remember what things give me purpose. Without socialization, things that once had meaning to me start to become meaningless. Internal feedback often isn't enough to convince myself that I'm happy. My emotions don't feel as real when they're not shared with others, with the exception of fear, anxiety, and depression. Those things feel a lot more real when I'm all alone. I feel badly when I'm reminded of the mortality of myself, my possessions, and my good times. It often feels as though my life is all downhill. The only way to remind myself that my happiness is renewable is to see happiness in other people. With socialization, my ultimate fate wouldn't have to be absolute despair. The loss of my health or my possessions would only be able to bring me down to the next level above absolute despair.



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06 Oct 2013, 1:06 pm

I think my social anxiety comes from too much consciousness. I am too aware of myself and others around me, and I worry too much of how I perform socially and how others view me. Often I can tell if I have said or done something weird and when I haven't. I don't know how, I can just sense. But when I interact with an extrovert who I don't know very well, I always feel they are looking down upon me because I'm so shy compared to them. Even if they are nice, I find I get more self-conscious and socially phobic around extroverts who are so wrapped up in only themselves and other extroverted people that they hardly ever notice me and I feel I have got nothing to say to them. I'm not saying all extroverts are like that, but I am talking about the really extroverted people, not people who seem generally extroverted but not extremely extroverted and still get on with introverts. I like those sort.

If I have to be socially awkward, I rather be someone who has a lot of self-confidence and is quite extroverted and doesn't give a crap of what people think (but obviously still a nice person). That way you don't get so ignored, and you're so full of yourself that people just cannot ignore you. Yes, I rather be bigheaded. I know it can cause social problems still, but I rather have social problems coming from being too bigheaded than have social problems coming from being too socially anxious and sensitive and feel a lot of self-shame.


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06 Oct 2013, 1:35 pm

I think there's a point to most people's lives, just not my own. lol.

With regards to the OP, I really don't think it's as straightforward as that - I think it comes down to what makes you feel happy or fulfilled or what makes you feel like your life does have a point, I guess. It doesn't always have to revolve around a good ability to socialise (though that helps) or relationships in my opinion.


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06 Oct 2013, 2:18 pm

If you think about it logically, ultimately nothing has an inherent point, purpose or meaning. Purpose and meaning only exist in our heads; they are abstract concepts imposed on objects by sentient beings. Therefore, the meaning of life is whatever you make it.



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06 Oct 2013, 3:39 pm

I suppose that's one way to look at it--that meaning is arbitrary; therefore you make your own. But there are other ways. Religion and some branches of philosophy talk about meaning as being inherent to life--people have a purpose.

However you do find meaning, it is really important to remember to challenge the ideas of the people around you--not to let them impose their ideas of what is important on you. If the people around you think that only white people have meaningful lives and you are black, you shouldn't believe them. Same if the people around you believe that only non-disabled people have meaningful lives; don't believe them, either.

Living in a world where disability is stigmatized, sometimes we do subconsciously buy into the beliefs of other people about disability. We can't really help it; it's just that we hear it so often. To fight that, bring the ideas into your conscious mind, challenge them, think about them critically: Who says? Why is that true? Why are they right? Who disagrees with them, and do they have a better argument? Think. Don't just let people tell you what to think.


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06 Oct 2013, 3:40 pm

Adamantium wrote:
Most people are just not ready for THE ANSWER.

They are usually not even ready to understand why "what is 6 times 7" is THE QUESTION.

Let those with eyes to read understand.
You just scrabbled my brain :wink:



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06 Oct 2013, 4:00 pm

Is there really a point to life for a human? :lol:

Really, life is life. People just live their lives they way they think is best for them (I guess).
You can't know what will happen unless you make your decision.

I think that a life that has been a good life is a life during which you were able to do the things you like, and if you enjoyed the most of it (because it's impossible to enjoy all of it).

There is not really a "point" in life, people are just given birth, live, die.
Some people did great things and are still remembered for it, but not all of them had a good life, and they died like everybody else.

"All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."
Gandalf to Frodo-The Fellowship of The Ring

I could say I live by that quote :lol:



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06 Oct 2013, 4:01 pm

UnLoser wrote:
If you think about it logically, ultimately nothing has an inherent point, purpose or meaning. Purpose and meaning only exist in our heads; they are abstract concepts imposed on objects by sentient beings. Therefore, the meaning of life is whatever you make it.


Perfectly stated.

@Joe90 My social anxiety comes from the same reasons. On top of all of that, I have been openly mocked more than once and humiliated by others in a few different social settings where 4+ individuals were present.


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06 Oct 2013, 6:17 pm

qawer wrote:
Life seems to be mainly about socializing. It's about educating yourself, finding a girl-/boyfriend, getting married, and having kids who can continue the circle.

When you have autism all this socialization often is too difficult, doesn't mean enough for you, doesn't allow you to be yourself, etc. etc.

So I wonder what the point of life is when you aren't naturally sociable? Isn't it fooling yourself to think special interests can replace it?

Point of life?Believe me,happines is in little things.I was recently on a school trip in Italy and Montecarlo.I have seen beautiful things that enlighted me,after seeing the world i changed my perspective about many things.One should live for seeking knowledge,for reading and going to trips.Don`t let anyone to convince you that you are less of a man because you are not socially talented.Some of the greatest minds have spent their whole lives alone.Getting married doesn`t make you a better person.Special interests can be a point of life.Everyone has problems,of one kind or another.And for marriage?Do you really think that every marriage is better for you than to be alone?People who are alone are so different from each other.Everyone has reasons for it,wishes and needs of every imaginable kind.



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06 Oct 2013, 6:22 pm

Mostly defiance. We are robbed of a place to belong in the world. Our purpose right now is to take it back. To stand up to those who would see us put into little boxes and locked away. To claim our right to a fair chance in life. To live, and thrive, despite those who do not want us to.