Asperger Syndrome: Could it be too much empathy?

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19 Oct 2013, 7:18 pm

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I remember on one job I was promoted to Lead Man which is like a Foremans assistant. One day I noticed a worker cussing out another worker for being too slow. I reprimanded the worker and told him not to treat my men that way. I was reported to my supervisor and I was immediately demoted. As it turns out the unwritten rule is that a Boss is not a liberator but rather an oppressor. If a worker is too slow the unwritten rule is that he deserves to get cussed out. For a Boss to show empathy is not only a sign of weakness but also is proof of a mental illness.


What more proof do you need that normal people are messed up? :)



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19 Oct 2013, 7:31 pm

raisedbyignorance wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
I remember on one job I was promoted to Lead Man which is like a Foremans assistant. One day I noticed a worker cussing out another worker for being too slow. I reprimanded the worker and told him not to treat my men that way. I was reported to my supervisor and I was immediately demoted. As it turns out the unwritten rule is that a Boss is not a liberator but rather an oppressor. If a worker is too slow the unwritten rule is that he deserves to get cussed out. For a Boss to show empathy is not only a sign of weakness but also is proof of a mental illness.


What more proof do you need that normal people are messed up? :)


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20 Oct 2013, 11:52 am

Empathy is not the same as compassion, sympathy and altruism. I'm capable of for example feeling bad for people or caring about other people, but I can't see things from other people's point of view or put myself in their place. If a person loses a loved one, I feel bad for them, but I don't feel sad unless I actually loved the deceased person as well.



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20 Oct 2013, 11:53 am

no its the opposite.

many aspies dont feel empathy as strongly as neurotypicals.



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20 Oct 2013, 12:13 pm

I used to think that Aspies actually possessed a *superabundance* of empathy, but had difficulty communicating it. However, my understanding has changed through much introspection into my own mind. My hypothesis now is that what we Aspies think to be empathy is really a stacking of two things: 1) sympathy (very distinct from empathy since sympathy is still "I"-centered), and 2) sensory overload as a result of the emotions elicited by sympathy.

I wonder if any other Aspies here would agree with my hypothesis or if they have a different interpretation?

Most people, however, perceive me as very kind and loving. I try, I really do ... I'm not a mean person at all ... but I'm afraid that the truth is I'm a kind of actor. I had to take many psych tests for my job and the psychologists were afraid I was narcissistic and manipulative because the tests showed I lacked empathy. Never made sense to me. Since my Aspergers diagnosis I now know it's not narcissism. But my condition remains.



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20 Oct 2013, 12:17 pm

i'm nice and never mean to people irl but that doesn't mean I have a ton of empathy or sympathy. Even if I did, I tend to not express my feelings because consciously, I see expressing emotions as a weakness and exposing myself. Thats why I tend to not get emotional.


I don't like to make fun of people or insult people even if everyone else does. I try to understand or see the good in others. Because I understand I don't like it when people make fun of me or insult me so I tend to not do it to other people. At least irl; on the forums I could care less. Blame it on mob mentality.



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20 Oct 2013, 12:52 pm

I feel way too much empathy--the only problem is that I often misunderstand the emotions of others--that is I think they are feeling what I am feeling OR they feel what I would feel if I were in their situation. I am often, or maybe usually, WRONG.



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20 Oct 2013, 1:18 pm

When I was a child I couldn't watch very sad show's/movie's, because I would behave as if I were the charachter's, I had to turn it off because I began to experience the same emotions as the people on the TV.

I still have that problem today, but to a much much smaller extent.



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20 Oct 2013, 2:22 pm

Looks like people aren't going for my theory, then. I really do want to know what's going on inside me. I, also, couldn't watch many TV shows as a kid because I'd feel so sad for the characters. But was it empathy? Was it sympathy? Or is there really a difference between the two in practice?

Now I'm all confused.



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20 Oct 2013, 6:17 pm

No.

One of the key and earliest shown symptoms of not sharing with others is due to a lack of empathy.



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20 Oct 2013, 9:15 pm

Silver_Meteor wrote:
Suppose the problem was not a lack of empathy but rather an excessive amount of empathy compared to NTs.

A person who is upset over a dilemma of some kind gets his or her concerns brushed off by an NT who thinks he/she is right when the NT in fact is not correct. An Aspie will try to analyze the situation in detail and come up with a solution for that same person.

Maybe because we tend to analyze the situation more indepth we need more time and more information before we come up with an answer. But perhaps we see things that others don't.


Yes, you're exactly right. AS isn't an issue of "not feeling enough" it's an issue of "feeling too much" and trying to cope with that which usually leads to us developing coping mechanism's where we shut out as much sensory stimulation as possible which causes us to many times appear to be/or to become disconnected socially and in life.

Yes we will almost always see more than many people do because we're so hyper aware. I find that "acceptance" of this fact helps in day to day activities as most of the NT people aren't going to see things from my perspective. They can't...and neither of us is right or wrong in this matter...

Many times, which is simply human nature, we feel we "must" have a reaction to what we experience through our sensory perception when many times what we experience is simply information. I've found that viewing things from this perspective helps a great deal when dealing with others as well as dealing with my own "busy mind."

Don't worry you'll instinctively know, believe it or not, when you observe something that requires a reaction whether it's just an acknowledgement personally or something you need to act upon. :)



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21 Oct 2013, 7:30 pm

I find I care too much for other people. Like if someone asks me to do something I will dedicate my time to solely helping them that it becomes like a obsession and it takes priority over my own life. I think that's a positive about AS that I can focus so strongly on one particular interest and only then will I move on to the next thing. I think it's good to help other people though if you can, it's very self rewarding and without getting all spiritual or religious I believe if you do good things then good things will happen.



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21 Oct 2013, 8:14 pm

AspiePride12345 wrote:
I find I care too much for other people. Like if someone asks me to do something I will dedicate my time to solely helping them that it becomes like a obsession and it takes priority over my own life. I think that's a positive about AS that I can focus so strongly on one particular interest and only then will I move on to the next thing. I think it's good to help other people though if you can, it's very self rewarding and without getting all spiritual or religious I believe if you do good things then good things will happen.


True, but the problem with this is getting taken advantage of by unscrupulous people... :(


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21 Oct 2013, 8:17 pm

Caring for people isn't empathy.

You need a certain amount of empathy to desire to show care for others, but it's not empathy itself.

Also, being kind to others isn't empathy either; that's just being kind to others.