Gifted or Aspie?
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oh yah I have an IQ of 240, beat that!
besides arne't we all gifted in our own way? For instance, Justin Bieber is gifted at making guys hate him for no good reason, and Tom Cruise is gifted at acting. And i'm gifted at not falling off the track on rainbow road.
u dont have to be real smart or score high IQ to be gifted at least in your area of expertise. My expertise is acting like a typical 18 year old.
IQ of 0.2, can't top that!
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besides arne't we all gifted in our own way? For instance, Justin Bieber is gifted at making guys hate him for no good reason, and Tom Cruise is gifted at acting. And i'm gifted at not falling off the track on rainbow road.
u dont have to be real smart or score high IQ to be gifted at least in your area of expertise. My expertise is acting like a typical 18 year old.
...I'm looking for actual advice here, not the "we're all gifted" thing. I test well above what is considered profoundly gifted. I understand that there are many kinds of gifts, but those do not pertain to my post. If you have anything to say about the topic which is being discussed, by all means post it.
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Can autism and giftedness be co-morbid? I was labelled gifted in school. My IQ is supposed to
be around 140. I think it goes like this:
We all have one mind, of exactly the same capacity. If you get more of something in
there, something else has to go. I don't know anyone who is gifted in one area and
well-rounded in all other areas.
So, yes.
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ok then having aspergers and having a genius IQ can be comorbid whatever that means. I'm obviously not a verbal genius. But I do know that having Aspergers can make you appear smarter. Many Aspies tend to be logical and nerdy so they appear to be smarter even if they're just average intelligence.
Not all aspies are logical and nerdy, there are cool, hip, sport loving aspies out there. even if they're rare. We all dont come from a cookie cutter
you're are still young, don't get to caut up with the labels....try and just be yourself and learn to enjoy who you are- you are who you are for a reason god made ya that way for a reason (don't flame me- if you disagree keep it to yourself or make your reply unrelated to my own.)
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I have Asperger's, is highly gifted (IQ approx 145, officially tested but could be higher or lower)...I'm what people call 2E.
I'm currently trying not to flunk out of high school (I'm Taiwanese though...)+ win an International Biology Olympiad gold medal at the same time.
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I posted this elsewhere today and it's equally valid to help answer your question.
A nice illustration of how similar brains of gifted children and autistic people are is the story of Terence Tao.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Tao
Tao is an academic at UCLA Berkeley who was considered a Math genius back in Australia receiving his Masters in Pure Mathematics at the tender age of 16. Tao is considered a prominent genius in both Music and math.
Tao has a brother named Trevor who is also a genius in Math and music. Trevor Tao received a double degree in Math and music.
Two brothers who have so much in common with their brains have one fundamental difference.
Terence Tao was considered a gifted student and is nuerotypical.
Trevor Tao was born with severe autism and is considered an autistic savant because of his genius for music and math
If you remove social deficits there is a remarkable similarity in the two brother's brains.
Being a child prodigy isn't necessarily the same thing as being a gifted child. Prodigies have more of a specialty and do things unusually early; gifted kids are just generally better at learning.
And yeah, you can be gifted and autistic, though if you're autistic, then the IQ test really doesn't say much about you. Those things are normed on neurotypical kids, and the assumptions they make about development aren't valid if you happen to be autistic. Forget about trying to predict specific skills, or make estimates about the past or the future. For autistics, IQ tests aren't worth much more than a rough gauge of strengths and weaknesses.
BTW: If you are autistic and gifted and you think that your giftedness makes your autism okay, please do the world a favor and think about what that implies. It means that if you're not gifted, then your autism is not okay. It places worth on you based on your skills. If you got a knock on the head and lost fifty IQ points, you'd suddenly be worth much less. Do you really want to buy into that? I sure don't. You're okay regardless of whether you're gifted or not, regardless of whether you're autistic or not.
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Okay: so treat the following as I have been conclusively diagnosed gifted autistic
My giftedness does not make my autism ok. It makes it worse, because sometimes I can't do something (due to sensory or motor reasons) or I get a social thing terribly, horribly wrong, but people think I did it on purpose or I am faking it because I am so "smart". If I have a meltdown, I did it on purpose. Sensory overload, I faked it. The truth is, I really didn't! The giftedness thing also puts just another roadblock on my communication abilities, as well. There are so many things I need to work on, some related to AS and some related to being gifted (regardless of whether or not I am one, the other, or both). I know it is okay to be me, and that I am okay as a person, but people don't see me that way until they have known me for years and years. They either see me and treat me as gifted and hold me to the expectations of the gifted child, or see me and treat me like an autistic child (these are the people who come to the autism conclusion on their own, I don't go around telling people I have something with which I have not been formally diagnosed) and are very condescending to me. So, being one does not make up for being the other. It is okay to be both, but they don't cancel each other out.
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I was also knocked around at home so that might have complicated things as well. Generally I find most humans to be overly aggressive.
I don't know what my official IQ is (was never told although I tested it myself to be in the 140's when I was a teenager...although that may not be accurate) but i do know I was tested officially as having advanced levels of development in certain areas as a child (moral development etc) and started school early because of my brightness (I was so bright they wanted to start me learning as quickly as possible...I was curious about everything and asked so many questions...) but I also had areas where I was not so well developed and was labelled as emotionally immature, over sensitive and too idealistic as well.
I still find many humans to be too aggressive, too ego maniacal and too obsessed with the self to be able to socialise with them. They are also not very friendly in the most part and tend to be insensitive with limited moral development (everything is black and white or absolute when to my mind things are more relative and exist in shades of grey). Then again I am talking about people who bullied me and they just tend to be idiots (not very smart except at the art of manipulation and being a spiteful prat).
I don't know if I have an ASD (I have sensitivities, intensive interests, a love of sameness in certain ways and need some routine to function at my best) but something is not right with my ability to socialise. I am, at 40, completely socially isolated in that I have no friends, no family and no partner. Something is not right somewhere whether I am gifted or not.
PS I can make friends occassionally but am rarely able to cope with those friendships. They are often prone to drinking, drug taking, aggressive behaviour and do not understand my need for alone time to recharge my energies after social interaction.
I am not too bad around logical/rational people but I rarely get to meet any of those. That is why I come here, the people here are generally wonderful to talk to and in the most part of extremely intelligent in a number of ways. Ergo ASD/Gifted or otherwise (I could just be insane) I have adopted Wrong planet as my favourite forum to be on.
My God! Reading your post was like reading the female version of myself. All except I usually try desperately hard to avoid contact with humans. I find them too 'in your face' for my liking! Never felt comfortable around them. Always need alone time to recharge after being in their company.
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Very true. I read a paper by Temple Grandin published in Evolution and Cognition, 2002, Vol. 8, pp. 241-248
Temple talks about people labelled with LFA (like she once was) being able to think in images rather than being cognitively constrained by language. Temple give's a very nice demonstration of this is below.
**At the moment I became aware of the elk crossing the northbound lane, I resisted the urge to make a panic response and slam on the brakes. In just seconds, I evaluated the three pictures in my mind. To use computer jargon, I conducted a basic cost-benefit analysis of the options. After running a quick video like simulation of the elk passing harmlessly in front of my car, I simply clicked a mental mouse on the "slowing down gradually" picture. I made a conscious choice from visual simulations played in my mind. In another mishap on the highway, my ability to make a conscious choice was overridden by sudden panic. I was driving along a section of straight level highway on an icy night when a sudden gust of wind caused the car to skid. In this situation, I did not have time to make a conscious decision. Conscious behavior can only occur when there is time to think, whereas instincts, reflexes and simple conditioned responses take over when there is no time to think. For example, a grazing animal suddenly being attacked or chased by a lion relies on instincts and reflexes. These behaviors may not be completely conscious. However, when an approaching predator is far away, an animal has time to decide on the best evasive action. When I hit the patch of ice, reflexes took over and I lost the ability to make an appropriate response. No option pictures appeared in my mind which could be used for making a decision. Reflexively, I began swearing uncontrollably and jerking the wheel in the wrong direction ,as I was skidding off the highway. I had no time to recall what I had learned about steering into a skid. My car ended up on the median strip and fortunately, my vehicle and I were undamaged.
Some people question why I had three visual choices instead of just one. I think language covers up seeing the choices. This is due to my visual associative way of thinking. In everything I do, I see different choices as pictures on a computer monitor in my imagination, My thinking is not linear. I have learned by interviewing highly verbal thinkers that their thoughts are in language and they do not consciously see choices. Language may be another layer of thinking which covers up the visual pictures. I have no purely abstract thoughts. I only have pictures. **
Hi LAlien,
Can you elaborate on what you mean by having a high IQ? Your IQ does not necessarily having high intelligence when it comes to academics. There are your verbal IQ and processing IQ. I apologize if I sound rude but that's the way I personally see it. You mentioned not being able to read facial expressions and the fact you are clumsy....have you ever heard of a neurodevelopmental disability called nonverbal learning disorder? A minor part of it is not reading body language very well and having fine motor issues i.e not holding a pen or pencil well, having poor balance, etc, etc. People with NLD are also extremely verbal while lacking in areas that require nonverbal abilities. We get our information through verbal communication and that's how we try to relate to others. Also, an area of academic weakness with NLD is math.
Unfortunately nonverbal learning disability and Asperger's Syndrome overlap so much that it's hard to tell the difference. The only way to really find out is to get a psychological evalution.
I understand having certain interests, being clumsy, and not reading body language very well either because I have nonverbal learning disability. From the information you gave doesn't really scream autism spectrum disorder because it honestly wasn't enough information. Those of us with NLD have certain interests because that's how we relate to people verbally and we don't know how to socialize otherwise. It's very awkward because we can't understand the required body language or voice tone or we miss the cues that the conversation is over or has started.
Anyways...I apologize for the rambling. NLD has become a certain interest for me. Lol.
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Aspies can be gifted in compensation for areas of the brain that are atypical in their development. From my experience, I had severe developmental delays from age 2-5, and even though I've outgrown these, the deficits are still there albeit in a mild form. In a sense, Aspies that are gifted at spelling and memory have brain wiring that favors that kind of stimulation.