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28 Dec 2013, 8:13 pm

Edit - Posted in the wrong thread, apparently too much intelligence is not my problem! :D



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29 Dec 2013, 12:07 am

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Toy_Soldier wrote:
From the article:

"You could, of course, say that intelligence, properly understood, is a combination of wisdom, good judgment, logical dexterity and factual knowledge, and by definition you can't have too much of that. I'd like to agree, but I fear it is already too late to reclaim the word "intelligence" for this well-rounded cognitive amalgam. Intelligence has been broken down into small parts, and we can rely on each one to excess."


I've always said that intelligence is knowing stuff, but WISDOM is knowing how to apply intelligence in real life.

A lot of people are intelligent but lack wisdom.

I think the article is correct. Experience will teach you that knowing things doesn't mean you will be prepared for life because a lot of what will get you ahead in life isn't found in a textbook to be read. Rely too much on "brain smarts" and you don't go very far because you lack other just as important areas of thinking to deal with life.


Intelligence is the ability to learn.

Knowing stuff is knowledge.


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29 Dec 2013, 8:25 am

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Constant negativity is not rational. Constant negativity is not analytical. It is irrational and emotional. However, since our society propagandizes that only "intuitive" people can be happy while "analytical" people MUST be miserable, it is easy to lie and retreat into a fake analytical persona. When I force myself to be fully logical about outcomes, including substantiable estimates of probability, it is very difficult to be relentlessly negative.


I am going to try and bear this in mind in future. I admire your ability to be positive. I think it may have more to do with personality then rather than intelligence. Upbringing may also play a role. I was brough up by two people who don't like other people so I was raised to view people in a negative light. It is very difficult for me to go against the grain, so to speak. I genuinely do have to force myself to think positively. I envy the person that is so able to be positive that they would need to force themself to be negative.



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08 Jun 2017, 12:42 pm

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Most people I know don't even know a simple question such as the population of Earth. To quote my cousin's girlfriend's answer, "124 million".

Intelligence.. people!


No one actually does. We have rough estimates, around 7.34 billion for 2015 and still growing



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08 Jun 2017, 12:53 pm

Well I guess I don't have that problem. I can't do algebra and I've always been really bad at math, and I've never played a game of chess and I can't even finish a game of checkers without getting bored and frustrated. I've been told I'm intelligent, but that that was years ago and neither I nor anyone else knew how much the world was going to change a couple of decades later so that my talent and what I *do* know a lot about aren't important anymore. If they ever were important.



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08 Jun 2017, 1:15 pm

Stupid clickbait title. The article is based on vague, iffy definitions of "clever," "intelligent," "reason," and probably other words.



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08 Jun 2017, 4:47 pm

I think this article interested me in the first place because I manipulated the course of my CBT therapy. I knew what the therapist wanted me to say, so I said that. It was like passing a test a school.

CBT isn't meant to be done like that.

I needed someone more intelligent to guide me through it and make me do it properly. Or maybe I am too clever for CBT. Maybe it just doesn't work for some of us.



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08 Jun 2017, 4:57 pm

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I needed someone more intelligent to guide me through it and make me do it properly. Or maybe I am too clever for CBT. Maybe it just doesn't work for some of us.

Or maybe you just needed to do your part properly? There's nothing clever about sabotaging your own therapy by saying whatever the therapist wants to hear.



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08 Jun 2017, 9:10 pm

I came to the terrible realization that, for all of my education and knowledge, I'm always "the dummy in the room" when it comes to real life experience. I will always be that "different little girl" who stepped into her kindergarten classroom unprepared to succeed. I kept hoping one day I would accomplish enough to prove that teacher wrong. It never happened.



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09 Jun 2017, 5:04 am

There are all kinds of false assumptions, in life. (Also, the dog has woken me up.) So, I have taken the time to read what the author believes is too much thinking, or what is the wrong way to think (some hours before dawn.)

Julian Baggini wrote:
Consider the person who has a very heightened ability to understand the mental states of others, but uses this to manipulate or deceive them.

Are these autistic traits?

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Or the engineer who relies too much on her ability to judge people's characters and not enough on their technical competence.

If we are to be strict, most of the people, here, (spergie autistes) should rely on technical competence.

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There is one other way in which we can have too much intelligence. We kid ourselves if we think that the highest form of human life is one which leaves our brutish nature behind and devotes itself entirely to matters intellectual.

In other words, to coerce people, mentally, rather than by-force.

Julian Baggini's definition of 'too much intelligence' sounds just like the traits of a narcissistic sociopath, triggering others.

I have done it, as an experiment -- not to gentle people -- but a couple of real bastards. Weaponized autism.

You are organized, abstract, and have high mental energy. You can easily drive someone into the ground, if you want to fixate / obsess.

But, the highest form of trolling is supposed to be getting them to complete a task, of your own choosing.

Or, you can call that 'too much intelligence,' if you think it is wrong.



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09 Jun 2017, 1:37 pm

starkid wrote:
hurtloam wrote:
I needed someone more intelligent to guide me through it and make me do it properly. Or maybe I am too clever for CBT. Maybe it just doesn't work for some of us.

Or maybe you just needed to do your part properly? There's nothing clever about sabotaging your own therapy by saying whatever the therapist wants to hear.


Good point. I am suitably chastised.

I think deep down I didn't really believe it would work and didn't see the point. It felt like wallpapering over the cracks rather than proper restoration.



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09 Jun 2017, 1:44 pm

We really are in a shaming intellegence era it seems and it is really sickening.

The author is confusing intellegence with inflexiblility that causes one to use intellegence poorly.


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09 Jun 2017, 2:20 pm

hurtloam wrote:
I think this article interested me in the first place because I manipulated the course of my CBT therapy. I knew what the therapist wanted me to say, so I said that. It was like passing a test a school.

CBT isn't meant to be done like that.

I needed someone more intelligent to guide me through it and make me do it properly. Or maybe I am too clever for CBT. Maybe it just doesn't work for some of us.


I think you can be too intelligent but maybe in the wrong way. What I mean is there is a case of knowing too much so there should be a balance of different types of intelligence.

They often say that depression is a sign of intelligence for some people so there definitely is a dark side.



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09 Jun 2017, 3:27 pm

NO whens the show on the tv and I get every question right and my family don’t get any right I like it.