Do you think that virginia Tech killer Cho Seu was an Aspie?

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17 Apr 2007, 5:28 pm

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No definitely not. I really HATE it when they 'He was a loner'.


Hell, I am generally a loner by nature, and I have never seriously entertained any thoughts of violence against other people, and certainly not on that scale.


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17 Apr 2007, 5:31 pm

This is known as spree killing and is typical of sociopaths of little influence. Other sociopaths are like Hitler, Bin laden they are expert at influencing people but dislike them intensely even their inner circle. There are many idiosyncrasies but they seem to be oblivious to them.

It just annoying when people say loner. I fear it might cause vigilantism. There seems to be an element of the NTs that need to be reassured by that.



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17 Apr 2007, 5:31 pm

actually it says "so depressed"

anyway, they've been saying he's asian too and I don't see any asian kids claiming this will hurt their image.


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17 Apr 2007, 5:33 pm

alex wrote:
actually it says "so depressed"

anyway, they've been saying he's asian too and I don't see any asian kids claiming this will hurt their image.

Sure I’m just commenting about how they always say 'he was a loner' when ever this happens.



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17 Apr 2007, 5:36 pm

Loners will also include shy or quiet types because people will start to be hypervigilant about anyone they think is "weird". The public may use a broad brush to label all kinds of people.



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17 Apr 2007, 5:37 pm

Well, Alex maybe they aren't fearful now but yesterday when it was being spread around that he was "Chinese", people were wondering how he got a gun. Knowing our (American) history with Asian people, it wouldn't surprise me if there is a backlash.
Heck, right after 9/11, Sikhs and Black people were targeted for violence. Like walk-in-the-rain said, it doesn't matter what is true, just what people believe.



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17 Apr 2007, 5:37 pm

It's hard to diagnose a dead guy. Psychological issues are so slippery-- even when a person is alive.



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17 Apr 2007, 5:43 pm

alex wrote:
actually it says "so depressed"

anyway, they've been saying he's asian too and I don't see any asian kids claiming this will hurt their image.


Alex,

They ***DID***! That was LONG ago though, and asians are better known and more prevalent now. To say "I don't see any asian kids claiming this will hurt their image" is just simply misleading! It was done SO much in the past.

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17 Apr 2007, 6:08 pm

North American society in general has a dangerous obsession with instant gratification and perfection. Violence, hatred and beating thy neighbour is generally taught now over forgiveness and friendship. Our modern social environment is about seeking quick solutions over having patience and working things out over time. Launch missles, blow stuff up, shoot people, take a drug to make it go away..and on and on... Where do you ever see anyone trying to solve their problems with actual time and effort? It's not much wonder stuff like this happens.



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17 Apr 2007, 6:12 pm

There's not enough evidence to say one way or another. Being a loner is something noted with AS, but it does not necessarily mean every loner has AS.



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17 Apr 2007, 6:26 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
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0_equals_true wrote:
No definitely not. I really HATE it when they 'He was a loner'. I used to be a loner and i never did that sort of thing. You could say I could be any number of things, even if he did have AS it wouldn't be caused by the AS I don't believe. Serious personality disorders look very similar to thing like SA and AS on the surface but are in fact very different.


So far the only thing that makes me think he may have aspie was that he turned away from people to avoid eye contact-- assuming the person saying that is telling the truth. Lotsof people are"loners," not just aspies.

I'm sure there was huge cultural pressure on him to do well in school. Children of immigrants have huge pressures-- the pressure is like a vice grip to do well in school, be successful, blah blah blah. Apparently he told people he was a business major when he was actually an english major. Maybe his parents didn't even know he wasn't a business major.


Eye contact is a problem with lot of different things. The problem with AS is unique (well for me anyway). It is not about people think about me or any kind of thoughts. It is/was physically difficult to look in the eyes. I think there is a term for it. Anyway he sound like he fits (given the little data) a sociopath.

Interestingly Hitler lied about going to art school but he didn't get in. He used to pretend to his family he was going when he was bum about town


Asian culture generally finds direct eye contact to be rude.


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17 Apr 2007, 6:29 pm

Debating whether or not Cho Seung-Hui had AS is not that important. It is more important that if we are thinking it, then lots of other people who are not on WP are thinking it too. Therefore I think that it’s just a matter of time that the Asperger’s hypothesis will be reported in the media. I’m worried.

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Roy told ABC News that Cho seemed "extraordinarily lonely—the loneliest person I have ever met in my life." She said he wore sunglasses indoors, with a cap pulled low over his eyes. He whispered, took 20 seconds to answer questions, and took cellphone pictures of her in class. Roy said she was concerned for her safety when she met with him.



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17 Apr 2007, 6:47 pm

Probably some dissociative disorder.



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17 Apr 2007, 7:16 pm

I just remembered, Martin Bryant, who shot 35 people (The Port Arthur Massacre) was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome shortly after his arrest, in April 1996.

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There are parallels between Bryant and Cho.



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17 Apr 2007, 7:40 pm

I will be sure not to take a quiet moment to reflect in public or around other classmates. Because I mean lets face it, I am probably constructing my master plan to kill 30 people once I get my "normal nice kid" act perfect for when I go down to the gun shop. Clearly anyone who does not interact much is doing it out of sheer hatred and not because they have some difficulty at times. Beware of all of them! They are clearly all creeps! Reaching out to them will only get you placed at the top of their hit list!

(Sarcasm)



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17 Apr 2007, 7:41 pm

I didn't think so until I saw a report on Paul Zahn Now (CNN), where two of the shooter's roommates from his sophomore year were interviewed. They mentioned that he developed obsessions with several different girls, and that he "stalked" them. They also talked about how he had an imaginary girlfriend, and how he used to listen to the same song repeatedly on his laptop. That struck home to me, and made me wonder if he was indeed an Aspie or an Autie just pushed to the breaking point. I'm not sure though, as I don't know how prevelent obsessions are in psychotic disorders.

The roommates also said that he only opened up to them about his imaginary girlfriend after he'd been drinking, and that he didn't talk much otherwise. I wonder if the alcohol lessened his symptoms a little?