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devochka
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23 Jan 2014, 1:18 pm

I've been depressed since 2007, for one reason or another. Right now, I find myself isolated. I've been told that I have to learn to love myself. That sounds like a correct analysis of one of my issues. I cannot get up in the morning because my thought is that I have to drag myself through the day. Some of the websites I've looked at about learning to love yourself tell you to find something positive about yourself and keep doing it. I know some of my positive traits, but I don't see anyone else knowing or caring about them. As far as I am concerned, I could be the most beautiful woman in the word or a genius like Einstein, but nobody else cares. I am a bit (OK, a lot) at a loss here.



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23 Jan 2014, 1:49 pm

I would try to find a interest that takes you outside. Like one girl here loves geology. I love sports. Sometimes when I can't find motivation within myself I get outside and my whole perspective changes. Also not being so self focused can help too.


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23 Jan 2014, 1:53 pm

Are you still depressed when you're not as isolated?

Isolation makes lots of people depressed. Interaction with other people seems to be crucial for happiness for most people.

I think I get what you're saying, it makes perfect sense to me. If no one notices who I am or what I am, then I feel pointless. (this isn't quite the same as worthless...worthless implies to me that I have nothing no one wants, whereas pointless means I'm not offering anyone anything, although I might have the ability to)
I mean, in an extreme case, like, if humanity were to all die tomorrow except for me, the only point I would see in living and trying to stay alive would be to honor everyone else who is dead, to remember what people were and are, maybe try and save information about humanity so that some other species, alien or evolved on earth, would know people existed.
See, I couldn't even keep on living without including other people in that, without thinking about others. What's the point of loving myself if there's only me around?

People aren't the only social animals. Porpoises are supposed to be more 'group' oriented than people are.


Are you truly isolated? You've posted here, haven't you :-)


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23 Jan 2014, 2:15 pm

devochka wrote:
I am a bit (OK, a lot) at a loss here.


As someone that has gone through clinical depression myself, the best thing you can do for yourself is what every atom of your body is telling you that you hate to do.

Exercise. Every day. Yes, absolutely every day. Get out. Go for walks. Meet people. Sign up for a YMCA membership, or equivalent in your area. No money? They likely have financial assistance, so do that.

Your body will scream. Your body will fight your willpower, and it will feel like the sadness will win, that it must win.

But it won't. You rule yourself. Keep active, keep fighting, keep doing. The more you do, the better you will feel. The less you do, the worse you will feel.

The only one that will win this is you. If you fail for a day or two, understand that it's okay, and it's only temporary. You have a serious medical condition that no doctor can cure you of, and of course you're going to stumble sometimes. But get up, dust yourself off, and go for a walk.

It's the only way to feel better. I promise.



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23 Jan 2014, 2:18 pm

I am isolated myself and a little depressed because it seems I am unable to to connect with people in the way that I wanted too. I didn't want to connect with everyone but I had hoped to find just one person, perhaps a life partner, I could form a deep connection with.

It is looking as though I may never be able to do that (form that conection I am looking for).

At the same time I figure if that is the case then I might as well have fun whilst I am here and enjoy learning all the things I want to learn. I enjoy fiddling around with my little projects (I have several on the go...a weight loss program, learning to play piano and organising my needle crafts collection as well as pondering decorating the bungalow I rent) so they can take my mind off things. I will get upset if, for whatever, reason I can't fiddle around with them though.

Oh and I am also learning to knit and collecting Evgeny Kissin videos and Norman Wisdom films.

Youtube has lots to download.



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23 Jan 2014, 2:27 pm

bumble wrote:
I am isolated myself and a little depressed because it seems I am unable to to connect with people in the way that I wanted too.


Look online for meetups for things you find yourself interested in, maybe? It's much easier to make friends when you have shared interests, and you seem like a decent, pretty knowledgeable guy (or girl, even) from the posts I've seen you write. Meetup.com could be a good place to start looking, if that's something you'd be interested in doing.

Failing any shared interests, there are always autism support groups out there that you could join to make friends and discuss issues in your everyday lives. There's always something available, and there are always plenty of people out there who can be your friend. Sometimes, they can be hard to find, but with enough effort and persistence, I guarantee you'll find at least one person you mesh well with.



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23 Jan 2014, 3:31 pm

How do people reply by using the "quote" link? I've been trying to by clicking on it and logging in, and then I get a message that no post was specified.



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23 Jan 2014, 3:38 pm

devochka wrote:
How do people reply by using the "quote" link? I've been trying to by clicking on it and logging in, and then I get a message that no post was specified.


Log in first then hit the quote button. This site has a few bugs that is one of them.



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23 Jan 2014, 4:11 pm

cavernio wrote:
Are you still depressed when you're not as isolated?

Isolation makes lots of people depressed. Interaction with other people seems to be crucial for happiness for most people.

I think I get what you're saying, it makes perfect sense to me. If no one notices who I am or what I am, then I feel pointless. (this isn't quite the same as worthless...worthless implies to me that I have nothing no one wants, whereas pointless means I'm not offering anyone anything, although I might have the ability to)
I mean, in an extreme case, like, if humanity were to all die tomorrow except for me, the only point I would see in living and trying to stay alive would be to honor everyone else who is dead, to remember what people were and are, maybe try and save information about humanity so that some other species, alien or evolved on earth, would know people existed.
See, I couldn't even keep on living without including other people in that, without thinking about others. What's the point of loving myself if there's only me around?

People aren't the only social animals. Porpoises are supposed to be more 'group' oriented than people are.


Are you truly isolated? You've posted here, haven't you :-)


Yes, I have posted here. It helps to get feedback from others.



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23 Jan 2014, 4:48 pm

devochka wrote:
I've been told that I have to learn to love myself. That sounds like a correct analysis of one of my issues.


I don't want to discount this - I think it's true for everyone, all people have to learn to love themselves. It's just part of being human. And it's good to love yourself as much as you can.

But as for someone else telling you this, I think this is a trite, new-agey banality that doesn't really explain or resolve anything. And it depends on the context but sometimes people also say things like this to deflect (ie, putting the responsibility on you to love yourself more, rather than seeing how they could be more loving or supportive to you).



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23 Jan 2014, 5:41 pm

Can you have a pet? They give people the unconditional love and companionship that is so hard to find from people. Rescue animals especially.

And a dog gives you a reason to get up and go outside everyday, they have to be walked. Plus when you walk your dog it opens a door for social interaction, people love dogs and it gives them something to talk about.



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23 Jan 2014, 5:46 pm

devochka wrote:
I've been depressed since 2007, for one reason or another. Right now, I find myself isolated. I've been told that I have to learn to love myself. That sounds like a correct analysis of one of my issues. I cannot get up in the morning because my thought is that I have to drag myself through the day. Some of the websites I've looked at about learning to love yourself tell you to find something positive about yourself and keep doing it. I know some of my positive traits, but I don't see anyone else knowing or caring about them. As far as I am concerned, I could be the most beautiful woman in the word or a genius like Einstein, but nobody else cares. I am a bit (OK, a lot) at a loss here.


You don't have to have other people "approve" of you. Do YOU know your positive qualities, and what do YOU think of yourself?

If people you know don't appreciate you, maybe you can do things for others, maybe people you DON'T know, that they will appreciate.


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23 Jan 2014, 6:48 pm

I apologize if this offends you but are you deep-down trying to avoid taking responsibility for yourself?