Getting a bit sick of the Pro-Marijuana culture...

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That' why I think joints are kind of a stupid method of smoking it since they reek like 10x worse than other ways such as a pipe for example.

^ & ^^ No, what's stupid is that police are wasting their time trying to bust someone for smoking pot. Laaaaaame. They can't be bothered here unless you're causing some sort of other problems or being a jerk to the cops. It's quite common for people to be smoking weed in public here and most people don't even give it a second look, never mind call the cops. We have the most liberal attitude towards pot here in the entire country. It's not so relaxed in other major cities across Canada, but here in the Vancouver area it's veeeerrry lax. And I like that.

Marijuana culture is a joke. Use it to manage pain? Just an excuse for stoners with certain "conditions" to get high. Legalize it? Who benefits? Stoners?

Its a great drug to gain perspective on life and explore your mind...but I just don't like how it is being glorified and propped up to seem innocent.

Umm actually there is quite a bit of evidence that specifically implies cannabis can be used to manage pain....also for people that works for it provides a safer alternative to opiate pain medications as its not as addictive and doesn't cause as much damage after long term use. So dismissing medical marijuana patients as 'just stoners who want an excuse to get high' is just kind of ignorant since it greatly helps a lot of people. There are also a number of other conditions studies indicate cannabis can be helpful for.

Cannabis use is not always about 'getting high' though that is certainly a pleasant effect of the drug...but it still has been shown to have legitimate medicinal uses..especially for pain management and epilepsy, but its medicinal use hardly ends there.

All that aside why should anyone need an 'excuse' to get high anyways, nothing wrong with getting high on marijuana...also its not just stoners who would benefit from legalization society as a whole would benefit for instance maybe the legal system would start focusing more on real criminals that actually go about causing harm rather than 'stoners' and the tax revenue could be quite useful provided it doesn't just go to wasteful government spending.

I think in some ways it gets glorified a bit too much, or gets considered a 100% safe drug when that is not exactly the case....sure it's essentially impossible to ingest enough to die of an overdose but some people don't react well to it and its not entirely without risks, especially if you smoke it.

Its worth noting that there are also some amazing benefits to other substances currently classified as illegal in most places. MDMA is set to be legal again by about 2015 for use in therapy sessions. It has been shown to have very positive effects for people with autism as that is one of the main groups of people they are working on it with.

As for me I live in Colorado but dont find marijuana to be of much use personally and never use it. That doesnt mean it doesnt help other people tho. If you are not hurting any one why should some one else be able to tell you what to do.

Some people do use it legitimately for pain & it's a heck of a lot healthier for them than opiate alternatives.

Who benefits from legalization?

Society as a whole. Taxpayers. etc.

There's no sense in having laws on the books to prohibit a substance that is virtually harmless. It just serves to make pharmaceutical companies rich selling all sorts of overpriced pills for things that marijuana could treat naturally. Further, it creates a very lucrative black market for the drug since demand doesn't go away just because it's illegal, and that has resulted in countless deaths as people are willing to fight and die over money and power. Stoners don't really benefit one way or the other since they're going to be stoned regardless of who controls the market. But taxpayers will win when legal weed taxes start rolling in and governments stop wasting money on arresting/charging/jailing people for cannabis use. Society also wins as people shift to buying from legal sources vs. from drug dealers who also sell other harsher drugs - and thus the gateway effect goes bye bye as well.

Unless you're driving or operating heavy machinery, then that can pose a problem. Driving high can be just as dangerous as driving drunk. I'm all in favor of legalization, but you know, toke responsibly.

I call BS on driving high being anywhere near as dangerous as driving drunk.

You'd have to be REALLY high to have it make your driving dangerous.

Typically, it just makes people drive slow & steady like some hippie in a VW Type 2 bus.

What kind of professional would risk the stigma associated with marijuana in order to manage their pain? What would their family, friends, coworkers think? How do you know if the person requesting medical marijuana is getting off on the fact that they get to be high legitimately. Oh please please doctor give me medical marijuana my back hurts! (He he he doesn't know I'm just excited about getting high...this is all going according to plan.)

People fake having ADHD to get stimulant drugs for studying is a nice example. Oh how many pharmaceuticals have that allure of getting high. People pretend to have anxiety issues so they can get high off benzos. It goes on and on.

MDMA for autistic therapy sessions? Hahaha every autistic person with even a remote intrest in that substance is going to lie and exaggerate in order to get into one of those "sessions" yeah thats cool doc I wanna get high on MDMA today and bond with you.

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Dreycrux:

http://www.webmd.com/pain-management/ne ... earch-show

Yeah, stoners are literally tricking science into supporting their addiction.

Also, there have been studies showing that it is possible to fake ADHD to get stimulants, but I don't think it's been demonstrated that widespread faking is actually happening.

Your attitude is exactly the attitude that prevents people who need these medications to function (or at least function better) from getting them, because of this oh so faux-worldly nonsense about everyone just seeking to get high.

These arguments say a lot more about you than they do about anyone else.

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Last edited by Dreycrux on 19 May 2014, 1:19 am, edited 1 time in total.

Um, anyone in pain? And what stigma? There isn't such a strong anti-marijuana stigma here where I live. Most people are very live and let live about it, or simply don't care. So, the type of professional that would risk the stigma associated with marijuana in order to manage their pain is one that is in pain and could benefit from medicinal use of marijuana. As for what types of professionals use it medicinally or recreationally, the answer is pretty much ALL professions. Doctors, lawyers, engineers, bankers, healthcare workers, accountants, realtors, tradesmen etc etc all have regular pot smokers amongst their ranks. Marijuana isn't just used by dirty hippies going crazy in Reefer Madness.

And IF someone manages to get a prescription for weed illegitimately in order to get high legally, so what? Why shouldn't people have the choice to smoke pot recreationally without consequence in the first place? It's a far healthier alternative to the legal vices of smoking & drinking.

Yep, some people are med seekers. When it comes to pot, though, I doubt there's much abuse by patients who just want to get high as it's REALLY EASY to go walk around in most cities and just buy weed from some street dealer. The people who abuse the program are ones who are seeking high quantity prescriptions so that they can have a grower grow large numbers of plants on their behalf, then those growers (if they're the type to abuse the system) may then sell the excess yields out the back door for cash. Organized crime abuses the prescription weed system, not patients looking to get high.. because they can just go get stoned all they want without a prescription.

I've never tried MDMA but I'd sign up for one of those sessions.

So you're not engaging in good faith?

Good to know. Next time I won't waste time on your uninformed, highly mistaken nonsense.

Intrestingly enough I am pretty sure a lot of medical marijuana patients do have professional careers...and if they so choose they can keep it on the DL and not be open about it with everyone if stigma might be an issue, but I think a lot of stigma towards marijuana is dissipating considering according to statistics more than half the country thinks it should be legalized or decriminalized and of course the more research on medical benefits and that it is a fairly safe drug compared to many others I think helps. Most of the stigma left seems to be a last ditch effort by the government to convince people its evil...and then yeah there are still people outside the government who have their ignorant perspectives and think reefer madness is an accurate depiction of marijuana use.

Also though professionals and non-professionals risk addiction if going the opiate pain relief route...so possible stigma or risk of serious addiction? Also you are again assuming anyone who uses medical marijuana has scammed the doctor just to get medical marijuana...which simply is not the case, many of them have a legitimate issue the cannabis can treat. Also though you can get high from opiates to.....getting opiates for pain would also essentially be having licences to be 'high' legitimately...people lie and exaggerate to get those two perhaps we should just ban all drugs that can treat pain.

And with benzos yes there are people that might try and fake or exaggerate an anxiety disorder to get benzos for the purpose of getting high, then there are all the people who get it prescribed for legitimate anxiety issues and use it as prescribed and find beneficial relief from them.

Also why would anyone with a slight intrest in MDMA lie or exaggerate just to participate in a controlled study? that is hardly the same thing as taking MDMA in a recreational setting to get high. I imagine for testing how MDMA effects autistic people it would probably be very small amounts not really enough to get 'high' on so I imagine if someone did go through all the trouble to lie and exaggerate they'd be in for disappointment. Also though if the session is to treat autism with MDMA someone on the spectrum would not have to lie or exaggerate to get in on it since they already fit the criteria for the study.

Are you someone who regularly lies and exaggerates?....otherwise what makes you think that is what everyone else must be doing?

Some people prefer to keep their head up their a**, unfortunately.

I have no doubt that youngest son would be dead if it were not for mmj [ I guess you spell that Blah blah bah, right? I spell it Thank God! We finally found something that help him!]