Getting a bit sick of the Pro-Marijuana culture...

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Exactly, Sweetleaf.

^^^^^

Seriously. Moralizing about valid treatments sucks. Let people use what helps them in peace.

I'm pro-marijuana.

I'm also pro-responsibility.

Sometimes it can be hard though and I consider myself a responsible person but...last month, coming back to the UK from Colorado I decided to have what I would class as a small part of a brownie. It was a very small piece and I took it to help my feeling upset on leaving my family. And I thought, 'well, hey, this is okay. It's tiny and the last piece I had which was a tinier piece of the same thing did nothing to me.'. Unfortunately I had a massive anxiety and panic attack and my senses were far too heightened. I believed I had no recall memory so I therefore felt that everything preceding what I had just done was unreal. I was also exceptionally paranoid. In the space of a couple of hours I was howling in the airport that I was going to die. Some flashbacks were occuring. I could not construct my sentences and I could not construct the sentences of what other people were saying. I had to be put on an IV and took to hospital to calm down. I also didn't trust myself; I kept getting outbursts and regressing into a childlike manner.

I don't know what it was in that marijuana. It was seriously a very small piece of brownie. But it must have been just very tightly packed in.

And I'm not sure what the science is on the construction of marijuana. Is it a psychedelic? It seemed to change the functions in my brain for a little while. Only last week (which was 3 weeks later) did I manage to come out of my severe dissociation from it. Wasn't nice.

In all, I am still pro-marijuana and always will be. But I am also pro-choice, pro-education and pro-responsibility.

It sounds like you got some laced weed. One of the main reasons why I support legalization and regulation is so that people don't end up accidentally getting pot laced with other drugs.

it also could have been a sativa strain of cannabis. Many people, particularly people with neurological differences, have difficulties with that. Indica would have probably given you a mellow ride home.

It could have been laced. If it was, it probably was sold illegally. If it was mmj, which is strictly tested and regulated, it almost surely was not laced.

I almost forgot about that difference. So basically, if you have anxiety issues, stay the hell away from Sativa.

I don't know about that. Even when I had anxiety issues, I never found that any strain ever increased them. I always felt calmer, more relaxed, and at peace regardless of whichever random strain I happened to have. I've rarely known which strains I've had, but have certainly had both Indicas and Sativas.

Then there's a friend of mine that almost no matter which strain he smoked he'd become more anxious when high. The funniest was to watch him be completely tongue tied when spoken to by police officers even though he hadn't done anything wrong and they couldn't tell he was stoned. Meanwhile, stoned or sober, I've never had an issue communicating with law enforcement at all and would just go through the motions of chatting with them and then we'd be on our way.

So, I think it really depends on the person.

But, I suppose in general there must be some strains that tend to agree with anxious people and others that amplify their anxiety.

This thread reminds me, someday I should get around to reading this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Marijuana-Smokers ... tt+mernagh

Especially since I made an effort to go downtown & meet the author and get a couple of signed copies for a friend and I last Summer when he was in town. I'm sure I'll learn a lot of things about weed strains that I had no idea about. But I have plenty of other more pressing things to do and books to read that are a higher priority than books about getting high.

Thanks for the info on Sativa and the like.

It must have been laced or something along those lines. My Uncle purchased it and I don't think he purchased it from a vending machine. He got it from someone who was selling it.

It's the second time it happened. I smoked some the year before when I visited and though it was not as bad, my senses were still very heightened and I was hallucinating a bit.

Legalized, absolutely. So that it can be regulated properly.

I don't like it. I don't care if people do it since it is their choice and I think it probably should be legal but I get annoyed by immature people that talk about it a lot and make such a big deal about it and always talk about how high they are. The kind that seem like young teens trying to look tougher and more grown up than they really are.

I don't do it. I tried when I was younger. I generally felt nothing and the last time I don't know if it was really strong or laced with something else but I was violently ill for days. I'd never do it again.

One of the reasons people talk about how high they are is that marijuana's high makes everything funny, or significantly funnier than it should be. So like "I am so high" becomes both hilarious and deep commentary on the nature of life.

I have never seen anyone have paranoia or increased anxiety from pure indica IF it was organic and well flushed.

Any cannabis, if grown with pesticides can cause problems, particularly for those uniquely wired. If possible,know your grower.

Yes it certainly is a psychedelic, it just tends not to have as much psychedelic effects as say acid or mushrooms....though some people are more sensitive to marijuana than others. It is certainly possible for one to 'overdose' but its not a deadly overdose, it can still be unpleasant though if one has too much cannabis. I think specifically its the THC that is psychedelic, but there are other chemicals and what not in the plant that have effects but aren't psychedelic like CBD which more just causes the body to relax.

Id like to expand on that. I face palm when people say marijuana makes them "laugh" and they don't even mention the mind expansion component. It's probably those simple people who just get stoned because it seems "fun" to them. I am puzzled why people don't talk much about the oh so obvious perspective shift. The hyper analysis of second by second actions and your ability to see the underpinnings of reality. In all this you realize just how strange the world and everything that goes on around you is. Hence some people laugh cause they don't understand what is happening or they are just so blown away at being hit by epiphany after epiphany. Sadly this feeling goes away when your done being high and you often forget about those wonderful moments of insight.

I am in favour of legalizing marijuana I just don't like how it is being portrayed as a cure all by stoners and the resulting stigma attached for professionals. Hence why my previous posts were mostly emotional. If it is medically acceptable then they should create a THC pill or spray (Which i believe is being done). If that happened there would be a lot less stigma associated with medical marijuana especially if they used a better and more targeted analogue of THC with a different chemical name...then all you would have to say about the medicine is that it is related to THC. I believe that this situation is acceptable for a working professional or anyone in the public spotlight. I'm sorry but smoking a drug or ingesting brownies seems unacceptable for modern medicine. They could refine it and also insure exact dosages.

Personally they should just legalize all drugs that are not addicting. That's a whole 'nother beast though. Why would you make something illegal that expands your mind and gives you a new perspective? like most hallucinogens. I envision a future where people are able to see the depths of their existence through hallucinogens and not be locked into the shallow mindset our society created.

I see them as a tool for the ever expanding mind. Perhaps humans would be less violent towards each other if we understood our fragile and beautiful existence better.

Most stoners I know do talk about stuff like you mentioned when they're high...and even when not but either way.

As for a THC pill or spray...they already have a THC pill which does not have good reviews, probably because without the CBD it wouldn't be as effective for pain or epilepsy since THC has more psychoactive properties....also there are studies that show isolating single chemicals in cannabis is probably the most ineffective way to go about it because for one it limits possible medicinal benefits, since different strains with different concentrates of the different chemicals cause varying effects so one strain that is useful for one condition might not do as much for another and also gives big pharma a lot more power an influence over marijuana which would not be a good thing.

Though it can be put into capsules but that is different from making it into a pharmacutical pill, but from what I've read the THC pill they already have is too psychoactive for many of the people who have attempted going that route. It certainly isn't a cure all either, that attitude is pretty ignorant no one I know acts like its a cure all I'd be annoyed if they did. But yeah I think a lot of people see medical marijuana as an alternative treatment to pharmaceuticals, sometimes a healthier alternative and aren't too keen on the idea of it being merged into a pharmacutical and for good reason in my opinion.

Dreycrux,

I appreciate your expansion here relative to your earlier comments. I am sorry about the "good faith" comment.

I didn't go into detail on how marijuana might shift or expand one's perspective because I simply wanted to explain why people who are high talk about being high.

I also have found that things that may seem to be deep and profound spiritual truths while high may end up seeming profoundly mundane after the trip ends. Not everything, though.

I despise people who are against pro choice on Marijuana.

The blah blah blah comment was directed at no one specific...simply to the replies that were trying to explain away my thoughts when I wasn't even looking for an argument. I guess I tend to have strong ideas about how things should be but that's just who I am. Nothing really influences me so I tend to mull over these things myself and come to my own conclusions.