Does anybody else want social contact but not enjoy it?

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07 May 2014, 9:22 pm

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With me, it's almost like I have this idealized fantasy of what socializing is supposed to be like. Problem is, reality is different. It's like I like the idea of socializing but not the act.


Yup, this is exactly how it is for me. Not just socializing but lots of other things too.



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07 May 2014, 9:43 pm

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i only want to be social with certain kinds of people.


Same. I like certain people, but everyone else can go to hell for all I care.



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07 May 2014, 10:05 pm

Example:
I'll look forward to going to a gathering after work with co-workers.
I get there and then can't wait to leave. If I can get in the right little circle I can stick around and not feel the need to leave but this is hit or miss.


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08 May 2014, 12:48 am

I guess I'm a classic introvert too. I like socializing with certain kinds of people, dislike social chit-chat, have an easier time making conversations with people along special interests / familiar topics, and too much socialization leaves me drained. I'm not a misantroph either, though I like cetrtain kinds of people while I have a strong preference against other types. Where the line is drawn between them I'm not as sure about.


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08 May 2014, 12:58 am

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Yeah, pretty much. I like the idea of doing things socially more than I actually enjoy doing them. The more people are involved, the worse it is. The last times I did things with friends, I felt trapped because I had to just go along with what they were doing. I like being able to leave a place or change plans suddenly if I start feeling tired or aggravated.

And I get tired of having to pay attention to what is going on and what people are saying. It's mentally exhausting. At some point I just want to withdraw into my own mind, or physically get away by myself.

I like having a close friend or two, maybe 3 at the most, and to me the friendship is just between us. I think of it like a closed circle and I want it to be private and secure. But I find that most people approach friendship like they are just looking to expand their social circle, so they can have more and more friends. And maybe they bring other people into my circle that I don't want to be friends with. I don't like it when I get entangled with people that way. It brings too much drama in my life. It's also problematic to find a partner for the same reasons, because they usually have connections with people I don't want in my life.

I hate getting involved with people who gossip about each other, or fight or have any other kind of drama amongst themselves, which basically rules out most of the human race. Worst of all is when a group of friends have all had romantic relationships with each other, Dawson Creek style.

Social contact in general has too many strings attached, there is always something else that comes with it that I never expected.


I have to second this.



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08 May 2014, 10:17 pm

I would love to have one or two friends in a limited sense. For the last couple of years, I've been working on an option to hopefully make that possible but am not there yet. But I could never in a million years handle a full time social life or friends who wanted unlimited interaction as was the case during my college days. It would drive me stark raving mad.

I have always believed that as Aspies we have a social tolerance limit beyond which social interaction is pure torture and at which point we need solitude in order to function properly again. In other words we need to regenerate like a Borg drone. My own limit is about two hours, sometimes much less around large numbers of people or overbearing people. I have known other Aspies though (necessarily from a distance), whose limit seemed to be more in the order of about five seconds and who would take off like a bolt of lightning if he saw that he was about to get within about 75 feet of another person.

I just returned from a nighttime walk for exercise at a nearby college campus. As I was driving onto campus I saw few people around since tomorrow is the last day of finals and Monday is graduation day. All the rowdier underclassmen had already gone home for the summer. It was planned that way when I decided to go walking tonight, but when I saw this with my own two eyes, I said to myself, "hot diggity dog... I have the whole place to myself... it will be a nice walk tonight without all the ego projection". Along the way I saw three refreshment tents next to the graduation area. One had a white flag on top, the next had a red flag and I just knew that the third flag obscured by tree leaves had to be blue. I pointed that out to a slow moving security guard I passed a few seconds later, but he didn't seem to get it... no Aspie observation and pattern recognition I suppose.



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08 May 2014, 10:32 pm

TTRSage wrote:
I have always believed that as Aspies we have a social tolerance limit beyond which social interaction is pure torture and at which point we need solitude in order to function properly again. In other words we need to regenerate like a Borg drone. My own limit is about two hours, sometimes much less around large numbers of people or overbearing people. I have known other Aspies though (necessarily from a distance), whose limit seemed to be more in the order of about five seconds and who would take off like a bolt of lightning if he saw that he was about to get within about 75 feet of another person.


I definitely notice I have time limits for how long I can be around people, but it varies widely depending on the person. With the average person I have a very short time limit and it maxes out within a few minutes. And yeah my limit tends to diminish incrementally the more people are involved. But sometimes I can tolerate a really unbearable person for longer in a larger group than I could one on one.

Sometimes when I have watched someone from a distance and think I would like to get to know them, having actual contact with them could be oppressive and not at all what I expected.

When I really like someone and get on well with them, I could spend a lot of time with them, to the point that I forget my limits, and overdose on it and crash.



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09 May 2014, 6:36 am

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Would I like friends? Yes.

Would I know what to do with a friend? Would I enjoy a friend? No, almost certainly not. I have virtually zero interest in other people.

I seem to be about the same way. I get lonely for friendships but don't know what to do with the friends that I have or if we're even friends.



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09 May 2014, 5:10 pm

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I often think that I want to be around people, to have friends. But sometimes I wonder if I really do. When I'm around other people I rarely enjoy it and I like to spend hours at a time by myself. Anybody on the spectrum have similar feelings/experiences?


I don't know if I'm on the spectrum or not, but I certainly recognise the feeling.

In my daydreams, I usually imagine I have a good friend, someone I really click with, who understands me and whom I understand - and who doesn't want to "hang out" all the time but enjoys spending quality time together occasionally.

I've tended to put the fact that I don't have such a friend (or friends) in real life down to simply not having been lucky enough to meet the right person (or people). And maybe that's part of it. But I find that when people offer me any degree of friendship, I withdraw immediately - I just don't want to spend the time or share my headspace. Whether that would be different if I met the right person, I don't know.



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09 May 2014, 11:40 pm

I want do social contact however I suppose what I really want is someone to share my interests with. If the social contact isn't centred on my interests 90% of the time I will want to quit and go home fairly quickly. Most social gatherings are over sold by their participants and sometimes I buy into what they are selling. I know its time to leave when I start watching the clock.



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10 May 2014, 5:02 am

With most people, contact doesn't feel like contact to me. I don't feel 'connected' and therefore have no social 'gratification'. I LOVE feeling connected however but I usually only have that with people who're quite a bit like me or who're open-minded, into the same kind of music (helps a lot) or are like me in the sense that they're just unable to talk about literally nothing or not interested in doing it too much. (no offence, it's just what 'real smalltalk' seems like and it's undoable for me, I can only produce some by using tricks) Most people just make me want to retreat with music or a book.

Talking to most people might fall under 'socialising' yet to me it doesn't have that effect. Afterwards I'm just really happy to be rid of them again whereas it's the opposite with certain people. Socialising with them is great. So it's a bit of a yes and a no.


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10 May 2014, 5:18 am

I do like to have friends, but its difficult to me to spend a lot of time with them, so I usually spend with them something like a hour or so. After it, I feel drained and need to be by myself to recharge.



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10 May 2014, 5:59 am

This is a matter of social strategies. Difference between cat and dog strategies.

Dogs (NTs) like to socialize because they need it to feel good. To them, not belonging to a group means noone to "hunt" with, which subconsciously means death to them

Cats (People with AS) like to socialize with those they like and treat them well. They have no inherent need for group-belonging. In fact, truly belonging to a group means being unable to "hunt" solo, which subconsciously means death to them.


This explains why people with AS feel the way they do: They basically like to be around other "cats" that treat them well, because they are living beings that desire to survive, find a mate etc. They want to be around others but still remain individuals. But being around "dogs" that treat them badly (bullying etc. what they term "social play") they get to feel really badly. This is when aspies cannot get away fast enough.



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10 May 2014, 6:26 am

YourMajesty wrote:
With most people, contact doesn't feel like contact to me. I don't feel 'connected' and therefore have no social 'gratification'.


I feel like I 'love' people in the sense that I want what's good for them, I want them to be happy, to make them laugh if I can, to keep them company (and I need company too so I don't go too crazy), but what you say resonates. I feel unable to experience their love for me. Even though other people are connected to me, it doesn't feel like connection.



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10 May 2014, 7:20 am

When I lived with 2 DJ's who were exceptionally hypersocial I spent 90% of my time alone. I didnt enjoy going out all that much or rather had negative experiences and just enjoyed my own company. I find that other people are distracting that is they draw me out of myself. I enjoy navel contemplation - being my very own recursive loop.This is impossible in company.

I do however get social cravings at times. I realise that after socialising I feel drained and am left invariably with a store of cringeworthy memories. I love my own company!


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10 May 2014, 2:57 pm

It gets a bit frustrating at times when I want to enjoy being around people but can't.