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26 May 2014, 1:18 am

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I agree with you Ann. I think a lot of people who don't chose to kill are plain evil also!

Great name for our society! :D


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26 May 2014, 10:22 am

wozeree wrote:
I agree with you Ann. I think a lot of people who don't chose to kill are plain evil also!

Great name for our society! :D

evil is a man made concept though to balance out good,no one is born evil,a murderer is moulded into who they are now by their upbringing, environment,biology etc.
theyre still a scumbag,but theres no way a human coud kill without having had something go wrong in their lives and/or themselves which in own view woud make them severely mentaly disturbed as opposed to evil.


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26 May 2014, 11:19 am

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I'm seeing all these threads about this murder spree.

It's possible that that guy was here. He could have been one of those guys that comes on making provoking statements then gets banned right away. Or maybe he was someone who posted and we interacted with.

It seems like people with Asperger's are going on more and more killing sprees lately, but why? And what do they hope to accomplish by it it? Really whether you are Autistic or not, killing like that doesn't accomplish anything at all. It mostly makes people hate you.

So what are some healthy alternatives, something that could make a change in the world that they want to see that causes them to kill people?

I was thinking maybe writing a book about their experiences - but the problem is that by the time they get to that point, they can't think straight and they write things like that manifesto, which would only make things worse on him if he tried to publish it before he went on his rampage.

I don't know, I'm trying to think - can we pull together as a community and help people like this?



Just because your life is crap doesn't mean you have to destroy other people's lives... that is just selfishness. If anything aspies should know better than NT's when it comes to selfishness.



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26 May 2014, 2:48 pm

I think it is a media thing also. Autism/Asperger's is the flavor of the month these days and so as soon there is a murder spree I am sure the first thing the reporters are doing is trying to find a ASD link.
I do not think that as a community we can do anything about it, even in forums like this one, the moment somebody says they want to start killing people, they are being told to stop posting, they get a number of heartless responses of abusive nature, their account is getting closed due to the huge legal implications and on occasion the FBI is being informed. Where could a person go, discuss their murderous desires openly and be treated with love and compassion instead of being immediately rejected and/or restrained? Maybe in a Buddhist monastery, I am just guessing...



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27 May 2014, 10:57 am

goldfish21 wrote:
wozeree wrote:
It seems like people with Asperger's are going on more and more killing sprees lately, but why?


Media coverage. I doubt the rate of Aspies committing murder has changed much at all, especially over a long period of time vs. a few highly publicized incidents.


This and MEDS.

It's present in practically every mass-killing incidence in the USA for the last couple of decades. Shooter/stabber is on psychiatric meds which are KNOWN to make the patient worse in X percent of cases, but somehow nobody was paying attention to the warning signs that were quite clear to those who know the person.



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27 May 2014, 1:42 pm

"More and more Aspies..."

So ... you feel that three or four Aspies receiving media coverage out of the thousands of murders which occur each year justifies insinuating that Aspies are prone to committing murder? No, you obviously haven't thought this through. I know of Autistic people who've received abuse in the streets because of the actions of ONE man with several mental health issues running alongside AS, yet here you are propagating the insulting and completely inaccurate theory that Autism and planned violence are linked.

I'm reporting this thread.



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27 May 2014, 2:01 pm

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more funding towards better mental health services, and a voluntary buddy system set up in every area to check up on vulnerable members of society [not just for any specific diagnosis] and interact with them to make sure they are not isolated,and any concerns shoud then be forwarded straight to a mental health crisis team.


That's far too sensible to become a reality



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27 May 2014, 2:58 pm

KingdomOfRats wrote:
wozeree wrote:
I agree with you Ann. I think a lot of people who don't chose to kill are plain evil also!

Great name for our society! :D

evil is a man made concept though to balance out good,no one is born evil,a murderer is moulded into who they are now by their upbringing, environment,biology etc.
theyre still a scumbag,but theres no way a human coud kill without having had something go wrong in their lives and/or themselves which in own view woud make them severely mentaly disturbed as opposed to evil.


Not true, there are many hereditary traits in DNA that even have to do with personality. its easy to say that the parental environment was to blame when its apparent both the parent and the child have the same afflictions. not all cases are so cut and dry.

I have a son that got alienated from me at a vary young age, yet he has many of my personality traits even though he didn't spend that time with me, this tells me its genetic.


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27 May 2014, 4:59 pm

Kingdom of Rats says: "theres no way a human coud kill without having had something go wrong in their lives and/or themselves which in own view woud make them severely mentaly disturbed as opposed to evil."
First of all, I personally agree with you, as in that I feel the same, people who kill are not evil, they have got to be mentally disturbed' it is just a "malfunction". On the other hand, I have been told that some people are born evil, they are just naturally drawn to it. This could be true, and perhaps it is a mental birth defect, maybe they are born ready to kill, and need no moulding.
Then there are other factors to consider, for example, there are cannibals who kill and eat humans, and in their culture the mentally disturbed person would be the one wanting to go vegan.
Also, according to some metaphysical theories, we incarnate time after time and have to experience everything, we have all been victims as well as killers during lifetimes.
And lastly, if karma and reincarnation exist, some people are destined to be killed or to kill in order to raise awareness. Killers become the "example to be avoided", victims are the "martyrs' suffering to help us raise awareness this way.
So although as I said my personal tendency is to agree with you that there is no evil I think there are all the other possibilities to consider. I knew a prison guard once who told me that one of these people exuding pure evil was Myra Hindley. I have also read once that another human being who exuded the same thing was the actor Kirk Douglas (I think he is dead) and last year I worked and got fired from a lovely, well paying job due to a person who seemed to indeed exude pure, illogical, evil.



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28 May 2014, 12:18 am

wozeree wrote:
It seems like people with Asperger's are going on more and more killing sprees lately, but why?


Because more people in general are going on killing sprees?


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28 May 2014, 1:34 am

I would so like to be a buddy, but I would need transportation, and I can't take buses because they're so bumpy they make my head pain unbearable. I want to do something meaningful again... being disabled is awful.



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28 May 2014, 1:36 am

AspergianMutantt wrote:
evil is a man made concept though to balance out good,no one is born evil,a murderer is moulded into who they are now by their upbringing, environment,biology etc.
theyre still a scumbag,but theres no way a human coud kill without having had something go wrong in their lives and/or themselves which in own view woud make them severely mentaly disturbed as opposed to evil.


I wonder, because I have seen a few stories of children who have killed other children just to see what it would be like, and I know that I could never have done something like this, I think there was truly something wrong with these kids' mental health. And a story about Ted Bundy, his aunt I think or a babysitter, said that once when he was 4 year old (if I remember correctly), while she was babysitting him, she took a nap, and when she woke up he had grabbed all the knives in the house and put them around her and he was smiling at her. Its strange to the least.


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28 May 2014, 4:35 am

A vacation, maybe. I think his parents and therapists needed to stop thinking that if they kept shoving him into social situations that he would suddenly develop a social life. It sounds like he accumulated rejection on top of rejection while at the same time being in an environment where he'd see lots of other people succeeding, seemingly easily.

His parents sent him off to Santa Barbara because it's a college town, hoping he'd develop a social life. But he wasn't even a student at the university. He was enrolled at a nearby community college. If that CC was like the one I went to people go to class and then to work. There wasn't much of a social scene. So, what did they expect? That he'd just show up at some UCSB frat party, an uninvited, non-student, alone, stranger with poor social skills and say "hey, let me in to your party!" and it would turn out well? He made it worse by being a jerk, out of his bitterness, but getting beaten up was probably likely even if he wasn't like that.

And, one of his therapists (or maybe it was a family friend) would take him out to learn how to interact with women. The women would end up attracted to the therapist/'friend', who would later laugh at his pain at finding the experience depressing. How is it that people thought that these things were helping when it was failure after failure? OK, probably they had no idea what else to do. But maybe he was better off isolated than having his face continually rubbed in his failure.

And, he should've had some pets -- at least one source of positive interaction with a living thing, and a reason not to commit suicide (and decide to kill people you hate as long as you're going to die).