Self diagnosed people here don't have aspergers

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Well, maybe they would be more reasonable if they watched a while



You know, I have been hearing this since I was a little kid, OVER FORTY YEARS AGO! I didn't understand it then, and don't now! If a group decides to not conform in the same way, aren't they conforming? Anyway, you will ALWAYS have people that do things like munchausens. Maybe even those that are diagnosed should be left in question!

BTW My profile keeps changing to diagnosed. I decided to stop changing it BACK. So at least you know I am honest about that.

Steve

This is a ridiculous claim to make. People don't seek an official diagnosis for all sorts of reasons. I didn't suddenly become AS when I received my diagnosis, I always had been, and I would have continued to be, had I been diagnosed or not.

Hmmmkay... If it makes you feel any better, if I had waited until I had a high enough post count that justified the fact that I have an opinion, I am very confident that my response would have been exactly the same.

If by juvenile, you are referring to my age, then I would simply relate that I have lived on my own, worked, and paid taxes for nearly 6 years now so I like to think that although I lack the fuller life experience of people ten and twenty years older than me; I am not quite the greenhorn myself either.

My disagreeing with something you say isn't a lack of respect, it is just an indication of the fact that I have opinions. Discussion is about the sharing of opinions; if everyone had the same opinion there would be no discussion. Of course, some people are intolerant of different opinions and prefer insults and fighting to reasonable discussion...

In terms of your last statement; I tend not to respect elders for being elder, I prefer to respect people for their positive attributes including maturity, wisdom, breadth of experience etc. By responding to my completely non-aggressive post in such an aggressive, condescending and vitriolic manner you have demonstrated to me a complete lack of maturity and capability for reasonable discussion and I am therefore dissapointed to relate that I have lost a lot of respect for you. In other words, I shall respect you as an elder if and when you start to behave like one.



I don't know what you mean by my quasi-rebellious circle; I was merely pointing out that there exists a considerable element of people who do in fact revel in being social misfits and isolating themselves. They get upset if their favourite underground bands become famous and enjoy feeling unique and rebelling against mainstream culture. This is a fact.

I didn't state that I wanted to or indeed acted like a social misfit myself, in fact to the contrary, I consider myself a very mainstream, middle-of-the-road person who dresses in average everyday clothes and trys to avoid subversion, rebellion and the type of clique that revels in propogating its own isolation. I am a main stream secularist through and through. Of course, you don't know any of this; to know that you would have had to ask or engage in reasonable discussion but you obviously prefered to become aggressive and insulting instead.




Please go and re-read my post, I wasn't attacking you but merely expressing a difference of opinion - I didn't see the logic in people only being able to make certain types of post once they have a large enough post count and merely pointed out the artificiality of post counts in that many only have high post counts because of the massive proliferation of spam threads. I am not saying that this is a bad thing but rather that post counts should be taken at face value; how do you know that someone with a low post count hasn't been lurking here for two years?

I will finish by stating that I don't feel offended by your calling me an as*hole but I do feel sorry for you that you would respond to an innocent post like that. Insulting people for having a different opinion than you tends to make people seem ignorant, vacuous and unintelligent and I would hate it if that type of conduct cheapened your message and coloured peoples' opinion of you.

Kind Regards,
Jake

*Sigh*

It is a shame you continue to insult me; I find you a generally reasonable and intelligent natured poster and think it sad that a friendly difference in opinion brings out such hostility.

Ok...so now to actually respond to the main topic of the thread...

I think the thread starter has a point in that there is probably a very small minority here who aren't Aspergian and only post here because they feel socially isolated and want to be part of a minority group etc. etc. but my contention is that why should this be a problem? If someone is not Aspergian but feel that they are able to effectively relate to Aspergians then why shouldn't they post here? Changing the category of self-diagnosed to undiagnosed is a fairly uneccessary semantic point; self diagnosed implies undiagnosed by a professional anyway so that the point is moot.

I also disagree with the fact that diagnosis is so complicated. I am fairly confident that when doctors provide their diagnosis of Aspergers they go off the same diagnostic criteria that is widely available on the internet. The only advantage of a doctor is that they are able to provide expertise, experience and an impartial view. I would even be willing to venture that if someone falsely self-diagnosed themselves as Aspergian, by giving the same information to a doctor they would probably be diagnosed anyway.

So to sum up, yes there probably is a small minority who yearn the status of social misfit but I don't think that they would provide any harm here at all and differentiating further against diagnosed and self-diagnosed is almost a form of elitism that is probably unhelpful.

For sure. I always try to lurk a while before posting on a forum.



Yes, I guess it is confusing, people conforming to non-conformity! That is what I meant to imply with the phrase 'quasi-rebellious' in that I guess people want to be seen as a misfit and unique but perhaps don't want to feel so hence form and join the non-mainstream cliques. I have never understood the games people play hence I have just always strived to be mainstream and to be a person like other people.

Stop telling me what is or isn't inside my head, you don't live there.

That is all I have to say.

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I agree with miku here. I don't smoke cigars though.

The doctors still don't seem to have a clear definition. I trusted a Doc' before and was mis-diagnosed, really messed me up.

Not olny that. I'm not sure I want a validated DX. I can imagine the conversation I would have explaning it to a friend, let alone any one else. The first reply I'd get would probably be: Huh? What's that? No... I'm not going there.... choose to stay in the closet so to speak... Sure there are some here who I think the term-for is Troll, not sure...

Yes, thats what I meant. Wow, you guys get defensive over this. There are many other psychological disorders similar to aspergers. I'm sure you can all agree that a person with a PHD would be better fit to point out which one it is.

Some things are too complicated to leave to doctors.

Not everybody needs or wants a diagnosis. I don't want to be labeled. I have something, a cluster of sympotoms that is very close to what is called Aspergers Syndrome. But human minds come in infinite varieties anyways, so I just don't see the point of me going in for my official label of AS or something else, when my own "symptoms" are my own symptoms anyways, not necessarily 100 per cent exactly like anybody else's.

But from reading around here I can see my stuff is pretty close to alot of other people on this site. And I feel like that helps me probably more than the label would.

But don't get me wrong, I've got nothing against shrinks. I think they are great for the counseling and what-not. They provide a very important service, and can be real life savers sometimes. And I'm sure some people might want or need the diagnosis.

I'm getting ready to go see a head doctor myself pretty soon.

this is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of, AS has not been an official dx that long and if you look at the WIDE range of ages here, a lot of self-dxed people here are older and have learned how to cope with it for so long they don't NEED a dx to know something they have already known for 20+ years. Just because a "doctor" didn't say so doesn't make it true. I know now at this stage of my life that I am probably ADD (nothing else, I do not nor have I ever claimed to be autistic, I am here for my children) but at 35 years of age SO WHAT! I am done with school, I am married, I have children, I run my own business out of my home. What purpose would an official dx serve? NONE. This is the life God has given me and I am grateful for it. And so what if there are self-dxed people here who think they have or do have AS because they have "social" problems, if they feel at home here so be it!

I believe that is to be expected when someone challenges one's view of one's own identity. If you went to a depression forum and posted "None of you self-diagnosed people are really depressed! get over it!" I think you would get much the same reaction.

oh yeah, and I forgot to say, how many people here got a WRONG dx before getting a correct one from an "expert" ????????

I told the psychics and psychos what I had and they agreed with me.

Another anecdote for the fire....