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08 Dec 2014, 9:20 pm

I personally am a Nihilist.

"No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun. Despite all their efforts to search it out, no one can discover its meaning. Even if the wise claim they know, they cannot really comprehend it."

"For who knows what is good for a person in life, during the few and meaningless days they pass through like a shadow."


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08 Dec 2014, 10:17 pm

From a Christian perspective Adam brought Sin into a once perfect world and messed everything up. He brought in everything negative including Autism. Genetic mutations are not from God's hand only. You have to factor in environmental effects, inbreeding, overall lack of health and refusal of emotional treatment. We all have mass lineages affecting our DNA, there's no telling what kind of brain damage your Great Uncle got from bathtub moonshine.



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08 Dec 2014, 11:18 pm

i like to think of it as genetic diversity--- there are some immense benefits from certain asd traits ... some nasty burdens as well.... but like me ---i have asperger's and am married an NT wife ---and in our kids, i see a very nice mix of wonderful mental abilities from asd part and social /mitochondrial benefits form the Nt part....i think the outcome of the mix is better than my ASD or my wifes NT .......just FWIW...
i guess we all have our own opinions. :)



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09 Dec 2014, 12:43 am

agwood wrote:
There's an interesting question for you.

Things like Autism, or even ADHD or Bipolar are made out of genetic mutation. What I don't understand is, why is this done?
Why create a person with a genetic makeup that is going to make them struggle in the world?


Which god?

Hindu, Greek, Babylonian, Assyrian, Norse,.....

Be more specific.



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09 Dec 2014, 12:47 am

Because autism has it's place.


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09 Dec 2014, 1:08 am

It looks like you're getting a lot of replies from agnostics and atheists OP. That doesn't really help you if you believe in God. Lets look at it from a theological standpoint.

God sent us to earth to be tested.

We're put through what we call trials to be tested.

Autism is another trial among an infinite amount of trials.


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09 Dec 2014, 1:30 am

Because the world needed engineers?



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09 Dec 2014, 2:51 am

r84shi37 wrote:
It looks like you're getting a lot of replies from agnostics and atheists OP. That doesn't really help you if you believe in God. Lets look at it from a theological standpoint.

God sent us to earth to be tested.

We're put through what we call trials to be tested.

Autism is another trial among an infinite amount of trials.


You speak with such authority :lol:

Which god?

specify which one, ...... there are 30 000 000 gods in Hinduism alone



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09 Dec 2014, 4:02 am

slave wrote:
r84shi37 wrote:
It looks like you're getting a lot of replies from agnostics and atheists OP. That doesn't really help you if you believe in God. Lets look at it from a theological standpoint.

God sent us to earth to be tested.

We're put through what we call trials to be tested.

Autism is another trial among an infinite amount of trials.


You speak with such authority :lol:

Which god?

specify which one, ...... there are 30 000 000 gods in Hinduism alone


Stop it. I mean it. You're not contributing anything to the conversation, you're essentially just picking a fight. This is not the place to go on some inane anti-religious crusade.


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09 Dec 2014, 5:00 am

There's people all over the world having total s**t lives, and you think god is cruel because he gave you autism? What a joke.

I don't think there's a god anyways.



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09 Dec 2014, 7:50 am

God didn't create society. When you are alone and left to your own interests and actions, when you are with the people you trust who may "get" you totally or to the degree that they allow you to be who you are, are you struggling? Society has made its rules to favor those who fit them best. God allows humankind to be creative and as a result, most anything human-made is suspect and not to be taken all that seriously.



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09 Dec 2014, 8:21 am

I actually don't believe in God. At least not in the way traditional religious people do.

My point is that a lot of us are born with a s**t sandwich effectively. But remember how certain species like insects are given certain features to help them adapt to their environment over time?
That's the key word: adapt. And it seems to come out of nowhere.

So my question is, since so many people seem to be affiliated with this 'condition', is this a step towards adaption?



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09 Dec 2014, 9:12 am

Can't help you with that; I'm an agnostic now. I see no evidence that there is a god or that it created anything, much less autism. When I was a child, I didn't know what was wrong with me. I believed I was a sinner and a bad person and that was why I didn't fit in. Religion did nothing to help me and everything to fill me with guilt, shame, and fear that has never healed.

I don't believe autism is the next stage of evolution either. If anything the condition makes it difficult, if not impossible, for me to adapt. I think that the environment we've created just isn't good for children anymore. They're overstimulated as hell (if you'll forgive the expression) and burned out before their teens. I'm not saying that causes autism, but I wouldn't be surprised if it had some effect.


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09 Dec 2014, 9:25 am

No, it's not a step toward adaptation. It's a confirmation that there is infinite diversity in temperament and none of us will fit comfortably into the biggest box.



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09 Dec 2014, 9:52 am

agwood wrote:
I actually don't believe in God. At least not in the way traditional religious people do.

My point is that a lot of us are born with a s**t sandwich effectively. But remember how certain species like insects are given certain features to help them adapt to their environment over time?
That's the key word: adapt. And it seems to come out of nowhere.

So my question is, since so many people seem to be affiliated with this 'condition', is this a step towards adaption?

Evolutionary changes need to change allele frequencies.

Autistic people do not have more offspring than NTs, so "autistic alleles" do not become more common in the population over time... Unless we have some kind of kin selection effect, autism is not an evolutionary change.

There are several ways an allele can remain in the population without going extinct or undergoing fixation.

As for the God question... the chances are that no god exists. The theological response would be that the struggles associated with autism are a result of Adam and Eve's sin corrupting the world. As Adam and Eve also didn't exist, this has to be interpreted slightly more metaphorically if it is to make any sense - essentially, the bad things that humans do to each other cause our suffering.

Of course, this doesn't explain why God made humans do bad things, but if you want to live a religious life (which it seems you don't) then you have to accept never receiving satisfactory answers to some of your questions.



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09 Dec 2014, 10:50 am

The belief here sometimes ends up parents are being worthy or honored with a special child. (Which includes an entire autistic spectrum) With whatever purpose the god testing the parent and the special child. Or a punishment.
But that's not how I see it. In fact, I don't know how I exactly see it.

The purpose of autism... My opinion, it's up to the person? How one really uses it, not actually sees it without using it. Whether a god dictates or not. Whether the majority appreciates or not.


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