Advice: stop the video games and choose useful obssessions

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30 Dec 2014, 12:26 pm

I'm seeing a lot of posts that are judgmental towards "all those NT/normal people"... It really doesn't reflect well on autistics that they are using their "I'm a victim of society" mentality as an excuse to feel superior to people who watch movies and go to sports games.

The greater good of society depends on each and every citizen's willingness to be a productive member of society, and to get a job, go out, spend money at restaurants, museums, sports games, movie theaters, or whatever people are into doing. Escaping society, living in Mom's basement, in this sense, really does make someone a "loser" -whether they are aspie or not. They are deliberately choosing to feel that they are too good for the rest of society, but yet, they depend on it. Who do you think designs all those video games they love playing? Successful people with jobs. Who built their Mom's home and renovated the basement for them? People with jobs. If you choose to, for your whole life, depend on society without giving back, then yes, you are a loser and deserve to be called as such. The truth hurts. Deal with it.

The sad reality (that most aspies never want to admit) is that most successful, hard working people who society finds valuable do not have aspergers. Sure, there are some exceptions.



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30 Dec 2014, 12:45 pm

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I'm seeing a lot of posts that are judgmental towards "all those NT/normal people"... It really doesn't reflect well on autistics that they are using their "I'm a victim of society" mentality as an excuse to feel superior to people who watch movies and go to sports games.

The greater good of society depends on each and every citizen's willingness to be a productive member of society, and to get a job, go out, spend money at restaurants, museums, sports games, movie theaters, or whatever people are into doing. Escaping society, living in Mom's basement, in this sense, really does make someone a "loser" -whether they are aspie or not. They are deliberately choosing to feel that they are too good for the rest of society, but yet, they depend on it. Who do you think designs all those video games they love playing? Successful people with jobs. Who built their Mom's home and renovated the basement for them? People with jobs. If you choose to, for your whole life, depend on society without giving back, then yes, you are a loser and deserve to be called as such. The truth hurts. Deal with it.

The sad reality (that most aspies never want to admit) is that most successful, hard working people who society finds valuable do not have aspergers. Sure, there are some exceptions.

Because claiming that our own passions don't make us losers anymore than someone else's passions might as well make them losers equally is being judgemental.


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30 Dec 2014, 12:48 pm

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I didn't say not to have any interest. I have friends with eclectic interests, but they maintain a balance in their lives. I'm saying don't expect to play video games 24/7 and not have others perceive you in various negative lights for it. It may seem harsh, but it's reality that people judge obsessive gamers as losers.


Well as I said and people here into video games have implied....most don't play games 24/7. It is also a reality that judging people as 'losers' over their interests or what they spend their time doing(unless its hurting others) makes one look like an a**. Where are you even getting that gamers over all don't have balance in their lives....of course they probably devote more time to gaming than other hobbies/intrests if that is their main one but who are you to determine what the proper balance for someone is?


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30 Dec 2014, 12:57 pm

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I didn't say not to have any interest. I have friends with eclectic interests, but they maintain a balance in their lives. I'm saying don't expect to play video games 24/7 and not have others perceive you in various negative lights for it. It may seem harsh, but it's reality that people judge obsessive gamers as losers.


Alot of us here though are saying that this simply doesnt matter. Because it goes both ways.

Those that judge me negatively for being so into games, or into other things as well (cosplay, anime, conventions), or for being just a geek in general, well.... I look at them, and they're VERY often the "typical" sort that follows all of the things that society says people should like to do. They drink. They go to movies. They stare blankly at the TV. They sit around and just mindlessly talk alot, and often the subject is idiotic gossip ("Did you hear about what so-and-so did? Let's sit here for 10 minutes and talk about them behind their back!"), or maybe they sit around and yell at their favorite football team when they're losing. And did I mention the drinking, and the getting drunk?

Usually, *I* see most of that sort as "losers".

And I dont want to be like them, and typically dont really want to hang out with that sort either.

As I said... it goes both ways.

And really, why should I, or any of us, even care? The "geek" community is bloody huge these days... it's easy to simply stay within that, associating with tons of people that share alot of interests/hobbies/tendencies.


lol I know all about the drinking & getting drunk… I work at a bar where people drink and watch football on a 19' projection screen on Sundays. :lol: Neither is my thing, especially watching sports.

Interestingly enough, a cruise ship pianist who plays some bars said that when he plays nice venues he literally views his audience as just a "higher class of loser," since they're all just milling about getting drunk. I can see how he, and you, perceive that.

However, those same people have earned the right to do whatever they want with their time and money because they've done something society values enough to pay them a lot of money in order for them to have that freedom - that's what makes them winners by modern societal measurements of financial success. As the previous poster pointed out, they've done something & earned their way, contributed etc.

Mind you, there are some rich guys I wouldn't want to be as they've gotten rich by being ruthless and terrible to others, but that's an entirely different thing vs. contributing value and earning things.. neither of which the stereotypical basement dwelling gamer/geek does with their time.


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30 Dec 2014, 1:11 pm

JoFo wrote:
I'm seeing a lot of posts that are judgmental towards "all those NT/normal people"... It really doesn't reflect well on autistics that they are using their "I'm a victim of society" mentality as an excuse to feel superior to people who watch movies and go to sports games.

The greater good of society depends on each and every citizen's willingness to be a productive member of society, and to get a job, go out, spend money at restaurants, museums, sports games, movie theaters, or whatever people are into doing. Escaping society, living in Mom's basement, in this sense, really does make someone a "loser" -whether they are aspie or not. They are deliberately choosing to feel that they are too good for the rest of society, but yet, they depend on it. Who do you think designs all those video games they love playing? Successful people with jobs. Who built their Mom's home and renovated the basement for them? People with jobs. If you choose to, for your whole life, depend on society without giving back, then yes, you are a loser and deserve to be called as such. The truth hurts. Deal with it.

The sad reality (that most aspies never want to admit) is that most successful, hard working people who society finds valuable do not have aspergers. Sure, there are some exceptions.


Well when this society likes to ostracize, stigmatize and otherwise make things difficult for people who don't initially 'fit in' or struggle to get by is it really any wonder most 'successful' people probably do not have neurological and/or mental conditions? Also when society encourages this sort of compete/bully your way to the top mentality why the hell should any of us here put efforts into changing ourselves into an image 'society' will approve of. Perhaps it's society that needs to be adjusted not the people who aren't well adjusted to it.

Also 'jobs' are not the only way to 'give back'....there is volunteering, helping family/friends/or just fellow humans outside of volunteer work, and well even if one does not have a job if they have another income source than money still gets spent right? I find it silly and redundant when people assume if you don't have a job that means you don't contribute anything at all to the world.

Also I did not realize most video game designers also built houses, granted there are probably some who do both...also many video game designers are successful due to their love of video games inspiring them to get into video game designing, lots of game designers are gamers themselves.

And finally lots of people with aspergers and other conditions are on disability due to being unable to hold a job...a lot of times its not as much of a 'choice' as you're thinking it is. Some people who otherwise would be on disability may have family/parents with the resources to take care of them financially...not to say there aren't people who could work that maybe where never encouraged to try who aren't working but I do not think its my place or really anyone elses to get into someones buisiness like that and call them a 'loser' and then defend it by saying people deserve it. Seems like you're the one acting like you're so superior, I don't see that coming from the supposed 'losers' here.


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30 Dec 2014, 1:18 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
However, those same people have earned the right to do whatever they want with their time and money because they've done something society values enough to pay them a lot of money in order for them to have that freedom - that's what makes them winners by modern societal measurements of financial success. As the previous poster pointed out, they've done something & earned their way, contributed etc.


So if someone has lots of money they'd have the right to spend massive amounts of time gaming, but if someone lower down on the socioeconomic hierarchy does that then they are a loser and should be chastised for what they spend their time on if someone doesn't like it?


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30 Dec 2014, 1:29 pm

Some people obsessed with computer games also have jobs. Some people who just watch sport and drink excessively don't. The "higher class of loser" aren't the only people who have little to no life outside alcohol, the usual stereotype (so has limited accuracy) in the UK is they're on benefits and not working. I think the usual stereotype of a computer gamer is either someone in full-time education who is likely to be earning a lot of money later or an IT professional.

See, even if you think stereotypes are such an outstanding method of judging someone you feel the need to preach them on here, alternative ones exist :)



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30 Dec 2014, 1:36 pm

Here's the bottom line.

If you're insulting someone on this forum who has a different special interest than you and deeming them a loser, you shouldn't be posting. As long as the interest doesn't harm others, let them keep their goddamn special interest. Is it that hard for a couple of members to understand?

I haven't seen anyone outside a few people insult others for liking things. Do I insult others for liking sports when I don't? No! Because I'm the bigger person and let people like the stuff that they like. If they like sports, then so be it. So stop being so goddamned judgmental and let people like what they like

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30 Dec 2014, 7:56 pm

Enough of this prattling.


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