Are Autistic Men More Likely to be Misogynistic?

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Autistic Men are More Misogynistic than Average?
I'm a male and I agree. 18%  18%  [ 28 ]
I'm a male and I disagree. 55%  55%  [ 86 ]
I'm a female and I agree. 12%  12%  [ 19 ]
I'm a female and I disagree. 15%  15%  [ 23 ]
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28 Feb 2015, 9:05 pm

I disagree - autistic men are not necessarily hateful towards women, but rather that many of them have been genuinely hurt and exploited and they don't know how to avoid it. Some of them are misogynists, but that's more of a coping mechanism because most autistic people struggle to discriminate between trustworthy and non trustworthy people. So instead of facing the possibility of being hurt again, they are hostile and treat all women with the same level of suspicion. I don't know how rampant this problem is, but we can't treat this the same way as other forms of misogyny because the men in this situation do not enjoy the same privileges as most other men in society and they don't really have any power in a systemic sense. We aspies are social pariahs already.

So we need to be patient and empathetic. Rejection hurts and being taken advantage of hurts and I see too many women belittling men for "man tears" because they are "bad victims". Let guys be upset - let them say that their exes were "crazy b*****s". Maybe they were, who knows - you probably weren't there. I'm nit saying we should just let them talk s**t about women in general, but if we show empathy and acknowledge their pain, that might make people feel safer to be themselves and won't have to act out to protect themselves.

I'm a woman by the way. By the way, this quote comes to mind : "Or it could mean you're the righteous man and I'm the shepherd and it's the world that's evil and selfish. I'd like that.
But that s**t ain't the truth. The truth is, you're the weak, and I am the tyranny of evil men. But I'm trying, Ringo. I'm trying real hard to be the shepherd."



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28 Feb 2015, 9:12 pm

Here's a great article on labeling women 'crazy b-s' and why it's misogynist behaviour. It's also mighty ableist to label anybody crazy, but since we're talking about misogyny and ASD, I thought this might be useful to someone.

http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2012/07/l ... azy/all/1/



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28 Feb 2015, 9:16 pm

MindBlind wrote:
...I don't know how rampant this problem is, but we can't treat this the same way as other forms of misogyny because the men in this situation do not enjoy the same privileges as most other men in society and they don't really have any power in a systemic sense. We aspies are social pariahs already.

So misogyny is acceptable from autistic males? I don't think autism gives you a pass. There are other ways to handle rejection that are not as harmful.

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... Let guys be upset - let them say that their exes were "crazy b*****s". Maybe they were, who knows - you probably weren't there. I'm not saying we should just let them talk s**t about women in general, but if we show empathy and acknowledge their pain, that might make people feel safer to be themselves and won't have to act out to protect themselves.


Negative generalizations are destructive. But for sure men should be able to share their experiences.



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28 Feb 2015, 9:31 pm

So if a guy can't get himself a woman that makes him a total failure with no reason to exist? I thought men were capable of creating all kinds of other things that are amazing and wonderful, like music and art and books and inventions that have changed the world. Also that must mean I'm just as big of a failure in spite of all my other accomplishments, which I've heard I have to work twice as hard at to be thought of half as good, and should hate men to the point of murdering them because they're entirely to blame for my problems. Just like when men go on a killing spree shooting women because they think we're to blame for everything. :(



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28 Feb 2015, 10:41 pm

Due to black and white thinking, they are probably more likely to be misogynistic (due to failure with women) and more likely to be feminist (due to excessive 'fairness', etc.) than NTs imo. The neutral ground is seen as the minority, opposite of what an NT sample would be.



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28 Feb 2015, 10:58 pm

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Men with autism are more likely to be systematically rejected ( more often than not rudely without explanation as I too have experienced multiple times ) and treated negatively by women, so that creates a negative or fearful image of women in many men with autism. Multiple men with a negative or fearful image of women together creates an environment of resent or verbal frustration. In reality though I haven't ever seen a person with autism act out in misogyny and I have met a lot of people with autism.

The things you read here are caused frustration and despair, you would be pissed off too if you were rejected for the 10th time and do not understand why. If this happens you need to blow off steam, and some people come to these forums to do just that. In the same way you will read a lot of frustration about other subjects on the other subforums.


but blowing off steam by being horrid about a whole gender, especially when there are women on WP too...I don't see how that's okay.



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01 Mar 2015, 3:10 am

wheres a PUA site so I can go there? seems that's will I belong.
think some people here are just overreacting. just cause someone says something bad about a few women or some women doesn't mean it applies to all women.



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01 Mar 2015, 3:22 am

sly279 wrote:
wheres a PUA site so I can go there? seems that's will I belong.
think some people here are just overreacting. just cause someone says something bad about a few women or some women doesn't mean it applies to all women.

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PUA sites are inherently misogynistic. Their existence objectifies women.



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01 Mar 2015, 4:04 am

and are autistic women more likely to be misandric? The most male-hating women I've ever seen were here. Yes they are fewer because women are fewer here.

They were so focused on male hating to the point of getting banned or warned. Don't believe me? Ask the mods.

Regarding you question OP, go to the other forums, youtube, reddit and 9gag and you'll see what you call misogyny is everywhere.



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01 Mar 2015, 4:21 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
and are autistic women more likely to be misandric? The most male-hating women I've ever seen were here.

If there are aspects of autism that lead men to become misogynistic the same is probably true for women.

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They were so focused on male hating to the point of getting banned or warned. Don't believe me? Ask the mods.

Yes, the gender wars were unpleasant. But with the absence of the two instigators things seem to have calmed down. I remember one thred in particular in which a young guy told of kissing a girl who wasn't receptive. I stood up for him as he had done nothing wrong.

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Regarding you question OP, go to the other forums, youtube, reddit and 9gag and you'll see what you call misogyny is everywhere.

Sometimes I think the ease of faceless communication leads people to show their worst traits.



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01 Mar 2015, 4:34 am

Honestly, I'm not really sure. While it is true that autistic men often have more trouble than neurotypical men when it comes to entering relationships, I've noticed there are still a lot of NT men that have misogynist attitudes. It just seems like a thing for many guys to regard women as little more than household slaves and sex objects. :( It f*****g disgusts me. I'll admit that I gawk at attractive women and such, but I know that ultimately, they're still people, and as such they have their own thoughts and feelings. I mean, honestly, all the people out there who claim to hate women, where the hell do you think you came from? If it weren't for a female, you wouldn't even be alive.



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01 Mar 2015, 4:50 am

I found this by googling autism and sexism. It's from b***h media and dates to 2012, so not the greatest source, but I found it interesting:

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Just as the same qualities that ostensibly make autistic people autistic also make us "masculine," the qualities that purportedly make us "childlike" also make us "feminine." That's where I think autism's relationship to a sense of masculinity "in crisis" lies. Being compared to a woman is still one of the worst things that can happen to a man. Autistic people—particularly autistic men—are beings of frightening contradiction because they are in some ways especially "masculine," and yet also so terribly "feminine." Some part of the fear lies in the contradiction itself, I think—any entity that combines two supposed opposites is scary—but it also comes down to plain old sexism. The "feminized" masculinity associated with autism is "damaged." It's been stripped of its hegemonic power—"castrated," if you want to get Freudian.
Double Rainbow: Autism and Masculinity - Social Commentary post by Caroline Narby

If this is correct, autistic men may resent women because they reflect a side of themselves that is more feminine (and, less desirable.)



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01 Mar 2015, 5:32 am

Yeah, because a magazine called b***h sounds so reliable and scientific.



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01 Mar 2015, 6:03 am

I still think that the problem is much larger than the misogyny communicated by a few lonely ASD guys, their unfiltered posts are symptomatic of today's world.
Just a thought, is it possible that growing up aware that you are different impacts on the male behaviour as it does female, but to generalise men tend to be more practically minded and less emotionally aware and both use compensatory strategies to blend in? Does emulating fundamental maleness develop into an aspect of personality?

Doesn't society reinforce the objectification of women? I don't agree with that ethos, but to me it is the reality, for example look at the models in music videos its all boobs and bums. That is not going to change, the notion of sex and attractiveness drives many industries and permeates every culture, as it has always done.



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01 Mar 2015, 6:31 am

Lotus gardens definitely sublimate misogynistic feelings, should they arise.

I most definitely enjoy a lady's companionship in lotus gardens.....and most everywhere else.



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01 Mar 2015, 6:42 am

androbot01 wrote:
It's from b***h media and dates to 2012, so not the greatest source, but I found it interesting:


The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Yeah, because a magazine called b***h sounds so reliable and scientific.


The passage quoted brings up an interesting idea regardless of the source.