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17 Apr 2015, 2:28 pm

I seek out lyricists who can write poetry. It isn't enough for me that the music be sophisticated, though that, too, is a requirement - it needs to say something.

Its like the difference between layering random splashes of paint on a canvas and using a brush to create objects and people. Both may be "art" subjectively speaking, but one is just aesthetic decoration and the other speaks to me of human experience and emotion.

Then there's common Pop Music, which is the equivalent of stick figure cartoons. Occasionally amusing, but not to be taken seriously.


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17 Apr 2015, 4:14 pm

Yes, when I listen to songs I care much more about the melody than the lyrics. I usually don't care about the meaning behind the song at all.



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17 Apr 2015, 4:23 pm

IMHO most lyrics of most pops are little more than piffle at best.



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17 Apr 2015, 9:39 pm

LupaLuna wrote:
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Yes. In my case I'm often put off by corny romantic lyrics.


I'm practically put off by any love song that's out there. Hell, over 99% of all songs ever written throughout history are about love, sex and romance.

Very true. I was very disappointed when I realised all the songs in English that I liked were about love etc. When you know the lyrics, the songs sound so cheap.



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17 Apr 2015, 9:41 pm

by and large the words are just handy things to rhythmically enhance the melodies and hang the hooks on.



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17 Apr 2015, 9:53 pm

^ Well, then they might as well sing about how delicious the dinner was, how crowded the shopping centre is, how gross it is to accidentally step on a snail etc.

slw1990 wrote:
Yes, when I listen to songs I care much more about the melody than the lyrics. I usually don't care about the meaning behind the song at all.

Me, too. A good melody and a good voice are all I need.

But I still get badly disappointed when I find out that the lyrics are "I love you forever blah, blah, blah..." etc.



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17 Apr 2015, 10:00 pm

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^ Well, then they might as well sing about how delicious the dinner was, how crowded the shopping centre is, how gross it is to accidentally step on a snail etc.

I am not sure what Spandau ballet was singing about in their hit "true," but it didn't seem to be about romance. what did you think of that song?



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17 Apr 2015, 10:22 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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^ Well, then they might as well sing about how delicious the dinner was, how crowded the shopping centre is, how gross it is to accidentally step on a snail etc.

I am not sure what Spandau ballet was singing about in their hit "true," but it didn't seem to be about romance. what did you think of that song?

I've never even heard about it (or the singer). I will remember to find and listen to it on the net when I get the chance.



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17 Apr 2015, 10:25 pm

jk1 wrote:
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^ Well, then they might as well sing about how delicious the dinner was, how crowded the shopping centre is, how gross it is to accidentally step on a snail etc.

I am not sure what Spandau ballet was singing about in their hit "true," but it didn't seem to be about romance. what did you think of that song?

I've never even heard about it (or the singer). I will remember to find and listen to it on the net when I get the chance.

it's 80s stuff.



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18 Apr 2015, 5:33 am

I usually just avoid music that has vocals altogether. I always feel that the vocals just get in the way, I often cant understand them anyway (too distorted, so it sounds like gibberish), and with the ones I CAN understand, the words REALLY get in the way.



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18 Apr 2015, 9:15 am

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music nowadays is recorded so that the vocals are buried under a mass of instruments and other vocals andspecial effects, at least compared with how things were done 50 years ago, and all that makes it tougher for me to discern what they are singing about.

Yes it's too loud and you can't hear the words.



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18 Apr 2015, 2:42 pm

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When I listen to music that contains vocals, I find that I am far more interested in the way it sounds than what the lyrics are. Most of the songs that I really like I have no clue what the song is about. The Carole King song "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" is a good example, When she sings the lines "Tonight the light of love is in your eyes..." I love the way it sounds and the chord changes from E to E7 to Am. That sound gives me chills every time, but as far as the words go, I really don't care what they are.

Does anyone else hear songs the way that I do?


But that very line that gives you chills,is followed by the chorus line "but will you still love me tomorrow?"- put there in opposition-to convey the storyline. Interesting that you miss that.


I understand that the following line is in there in opposition-to convey the story line, but I am not hearing the story, it is the sound of the words and how they blend with the E-E7-Am chord changes. The "Will you still love me tomorrow" line does not sound as interesting to me.



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18 Apr 2015, 3:53 pm

auntblabby wrote:
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^ Well, then they might as well sing about how delicious the dinner was, how crowded the shopping centre is, how gross it is to accidentally step on a snail etc.

I am not sure what Spandau ballet was singing about in their hit "true," but it didn't seem to be about romance. what did you think of that song?

I've never even heard about it (or the singer). I will remember to find and listen to it on the net when I get the chance.

it's 80s stuff.


It also was sampled by PM Dawn in 1991 for their major hit "Set Adrift on Memory Bliss".

I assumed that "True" was about true love, and all of that. But now that I've googled the lyrics I can't tell what the words are about. "I bought a ticket for this world, and now I am back" ..."a pill on my tongue to destroy the nerves"...something about "listening to Marvin [Gaye?] all night long". Don't know where the narrator's going with this.



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19 Apr 2015, 12:47 am

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I assumed that "True" was about true love, and all of that. But now that I've googled the lyrics I can't tell what the words are about. "I bought a ticket for this world, and now I am back" ..."a pill on my tongue to destroy the nerves"...something about "listening to Marvin [Gaye?] all night long". Don't know where the narrator's going with this.

I got the impression it was about the creative writing process of creating a song.



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19 Apr 2015, 3:54 am

This is basically what song writing is about. Lyrics don't necessarily have to make sense.

Take Yesterday, by the Beatles, it a classic example of the lyrics leading the melody.

Mercedes Benz by Janis Joplin, it is just the voice but it could equally be done with a fiddle. They might up the tempo a smidgen.

I think there has to be progression in the song. That is the problem with some pop music, no progression, all the tricks with voice don't improve things if there is no tonal variation and progression through the song, and it is all auto-tuned.

Also there is cross over from pure poetry and musicality. For instance Bruce Springsteen. In folk they put more words in, there isn't a strict conformity to the melody, depending on the artist. So it kind of has both aspects, sometimes one more than the other.



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19 Apr 2015, 6:19 pm

For me, vocals in music can be appreciated in a variety of ways. There are many songs I like with lyrics that are powerful, inspiring, etc... Then there are those which are simply rhythmic or pleasant. I also like a lot of songs not in English and can get an emotional response despite that. Opera and Japanese pop are two examples. Words can be ideas conveyed clearly or simply sounds that resonate like an instrument.