I don't understand this whole "stuck-up" thing.

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27 Jun 2015, 5:19 pm

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... with the right people.



Exactly.


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27 Jun 2015, 7:21 pm

I get this sometimes. Besides being shy, I actually am aloof, and some people take that personally. Fortunately I live an area where introversion is more normal and expected, and people are less inclined to criticize you to your face, so I'm guessing I don't have to deal with it as much as a lot of you guys do. (People from other parts of the country think our entire metropolitan area is stuck-up.) Other than participating a bit extra in small talk that other people initiate, I pretty much be myself, and people usually end up deciding I'm nice because of tangible acts of friendliness, e.g. they'll complain to their more charismatic coworker about their headache, but I'll be the one popping my head over the cubicle wall to offer them a choice of ibuprophen or Tylenol. (I was less popular in school because drugs weren't allowed.) I once had someone straight up say, "I used to think you were a snob but it turns out you're actually nice!" and I think that's a popular opinion about me.

There's a limit to how unsnobbish you can appear, because of this:

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I've always hated this, too. I get called stuck up by family members who make frequent, casually racist comments about others. Yet, I'm supposed to believe I'm a "snob."


People almost always consider themselves as being as nice/kind/ethical as anyone can be. If they see someone else acting kinder, they figure there must be an ulterior motive, and one such motive is snobbery. Like, they think vegetarians are only vegetarians so they can look down on the meateaters, and any ethical concerns about the animals has nothing to do with it. If someone refrains from criticizing a person with a problem that someone else thinks they deserve criticism for, they are just faking that "there but for the grace of God go I" attitude so they they can condescend to the bullies.


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28 Jun 2015, 2:34 am

Cyllya1 wrote:
I get this sometimes. Besides being shy, I actually am aloof, and some people take that personally. Fortunately I live an area where introversion is more normal and expected, and people are less inclined to criticize you to your face, so I'm guessing I don't have to deal with it as much as a lot of you guys do. (People from other parts of the country think our entire metropolitan area is stuck-up.) Other than participating a bit extra in small talk that other people initiate, I pretty much be myself, and people usually end up deciding I'm nice because of tangible acts of friendliness, e.g. they'll complain to their more charismatic coworker about their headache, but I'll be the one popping my head over the cubicle wall to offer them a choice of ibuprophen or Tylenol. (I was less popular in school because drugs weren't allowed.) I once had someone straight up say, "I used to think you were a snob but it turns out you're actually nice!" and I think that's a popular opinion about me.

There's a limit to how unsnobbish you can appear, because of this:

HighLlama wrote:
I've always hated this, too. I get called stuck up by family members who make frequent, casually racist comments about others. Yet, I'm supposed to believe I'm a "snob."


People almost always consider themselves as being as nice/kind/ethical as anyone can be. If they see someone else acting kinder, they figure there must be an ulterior motive, and one such motive is snobbery. Like, they think vegetarians are only vegetarians so they can look down on the meateaters, and any ethical concerns about the animals has nothing to do with it. If someone refrains from criticizing a person with a problem that someone else thinks they deserve criticism for, they are just faking that "there but for the grace of God go I" attitude so they they can condescend to the bullies.


Yes, I can identify with all of this. People mostly judge others by their own (low) standards, and resent it when you in effect show them up by having loftier principles or being genuinely, not superficially kind. So much of what people do now is purely for show - often literally, in order to get their face on TV or YouTube etc. Politicallly correct language isn't used out of concern for the less fortunate or 'different', but simply to make the user look superior and feel good about themself.



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28 Jun 2015, 3:48 am

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I'm stuck-up. I don't want anything to do with most of the human race, or their big noisy parties, their sports, fashions, religions, schmoose, judgementalism, lying and cheating, bad grammar, superficiality, celebrity worship, armed forces worship, patriotism, alcohol worship, moral certainty, daft social rules, acceptance of capitalism, cruelty to animals, gender-binary mindset, the half-baked results they're content with.........I know I'm not perfect, but really! If I have to accept that stuff, I'd like to remain a snob please. Weird thing is, my social style is uncommonly genial and familiar, with the right people.

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28 Jun 2015, 4:22 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
I'm stuck-up. I don't want anything to do with most of the human race, or their big noisy parties, their sports, fashions, religions, schmoose, judgementalism, lying and cheating, bad grammar, superficiality, celebrity worship, armed forces worship, patriotism, alcohol worship, moral certainty, daft social rules, acceptance of capitalism, cruelty to animals, gender-binary mindset, the half-baked results they're content with.........I know I'm not perfect, but really! If I have to accept that stuff, I'd like to remain a snob please. Weird thing is, my social style is uncommonly genial and familiar, with the right people.

Ahh, so this is whats meant by being called 'stuck up'. Okay. I never quite 'got' that before, because I'm not a snob in the class structure sense, yet Ive been called this many times.



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28 Jun 2015, 10:37 am

olympiadis wrote:
The "stuck up" thing is a social tool that others use on an individual to pressure them into conforming to what they want.

They can sense that you aren't willing to play their game of hierarchy with them, validate their social status, or allow them to invalidate you.

Basically, you just aren't being openly social.


^This.


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When I was in High School, I was told that I would walk around school with my head tilted up slightly. It was nothing I was aware of. But, apparently people thought I did this on purpose, because I was “stuck up”.


I tilt my head up, and it's because I wear plastic frame glasses that slide down my nose, and I can't keep them up any higher on my face because my eyelashes would hit the lenses. But I wonder if people just perceive it as being stuck up.

Seems like the human race should have bigger things to be concerned about than the expressions on other people's faces, or the way they tilt their heads! This kind of thing is so annoying, it makes me want to have nothing to do with people, but then that makes me stuck up! Ugh!



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28 Jun 2015, 9:46 pm

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Smiling might help with that. People usually act a lot nicer to me when I smile compared to when I just have a neutral expression on my face.

I don't understand either why people assume that if someone is quiet it means they are stuck-up. I know plenty of loud extroverted people that are stuck-up and arrogant. I also know a lot of quiet people that are very down-to-earth.


I don't really know how to smile. Like do I just walk around smiling 100% of the time? I don't usually see people doing that.


You can just smile when you approach someone. It also kind of depends on how much the other person is smiling too. I usually try to smile as much as the other person is smiling. It's really hard to do when I'm tired or not in a good mood though because it almost feels like I'm not able to.



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04 Jul 2015, 4:46 am

olympiadis wrote:
The "stuck up" thing is a social tool that others use on an individual to pressure them into conforming to what they want.

They can sense that you aren't willing to play their game of hierarchy with them, validate their social status, or allow them to invalidate you.

Basically, you just aren't being openly social.



No, it means that, for whatever reason, you give off the impression that you think that you're better than other people.

Which is exactly how the quoted post reads.

It's possible to be quiet without seeming "stuck up". Difficult, maybe, but possible.