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Is society too entitled these days?
Yes 78%  78%  [ 56 ]
No 15%  15%  [ 11 ]
Yes - Online only 7%  7%  [ 5 ]
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01 Jul 2015, 2:34 am

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I very much agree with what you're saying, Norny, Logston, KK, and Jaden.

It's not just online either. When they're rewriting children's books because of one word they don't like, and that being a word that never was bad in the first place.. gimme a break! :roll:


Stuff like that literally makes me cringe. Christ almighty.

Yeah, right now, america is just one big vat of oversensitivity, and that's being used to pass all kinds of ridiculous things that otherwise would never have been considered.


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01 Jul 2015, 4:41 am

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Yeah, right now, america is just one big vat of oversensitivity, and that's being used to pass all kinds of ridiculous things that otherwise would never have been considered.

:o You would not be implying that certain governments have used the media to manipulate people so that they can get away with passing harmful laws, would you?


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01 Jul 2015, 4:57 am

quiggyy wrote:
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Yeah, right now, america is just one big vat of oversensitivity, and that's being used to pass all kinds of ridiculous things that otherwise would never have been considered.

:o You would not be implying that certain governments have used the media to manipulate people so that they can get away with passing harmful laws, would you?

Well, let's just say that if certain governments wanted to pass harmful laws, the best way to do that with minimal civilian oversight and interference, would be to introduce something that is at least equally disturbing to society that would stir up controversial conversation where people don't notice other things going on elsewhere.
When it comes to this country, the only thing that has to be done is bring up america's not-so-great past, that people fight over at every opportunity, and you've got instant countrywide drama, where everyone's anger and oversensitive nature keep the whole citizenry at each others throats.
Society is so predictable it's just sad.


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01 Jul 2015, 6:42 am

I think the issue is some people among the social justice community expect you to be brutally politically correct, and it just isn't possible. Even the smallest mistake can be misconstrued as offensive and you can be lectured for it, it's obnoxious as hell. Some people just need to understand there's a big world out there outside of the internet, I guess. I hardly ever experience this in person.


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01 Jul 2015, 9:58 am

I think that, if a person is being repeatedly harassed, then yes, they have a right to speak out against that. But if someone is simply offended by one thing they heard, then they should just learn to deal with it. There's a difference between trying to be offensive, and hurting someone's far-too-delicate sensibilities, in other words.


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01 Jul 2015, 11:14 am

I didn't vote, because I don't see the issue as black and white enough to do that, and because I don't think entitlement is quite the same as the question of how much we should respect / pander to people whose feelings are hurt. I posted before about my views on that. I now propose to bore you all with my views on society's sense of entitlement:

I think entitlement is in rather a mess for the time being, because the human race is only partly on the way from the old hierarchical social order (narcissistic leaders with all the entitlement) to the mature state where entitlement is properly shared. While we're in this halfway house, there will be a lot of squabbling about entitlement because we never had the chance to learn to share it in the old days, as the leaders had it all. At least that's what I hope is happening. If we see the human race as a growing child, that child might mature into a fine adult, or it might become and remain mentally ill, or it might simply die before its time.



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01 Jul 2015, 2:51 pm

Didn't you used to be all offended on the behalf of NT's here? ;)

In all seriousness... we people have a tendency to blame others for being too sensitive, politically correct or whatever, when we are the ones to have hurt them, while then blaming others for the lack of sensitivity, feelings or understanding, when we are the ones hurt.



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01 Jul 2015, 3:37 pm

I find frequent offense-taking annoying.
The above statement can probably cause a chain of offense, judgements, assigning evil motives, and attacks in response.


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01 Jul 2015, 3:44 pm

VisInsita wrote:
In all seriousness... we people have a tendency to blame others for being too sensitive, politically correct or whatever, when we are the ones to have hurt them, while then blaming others for the lack of sensitivity, feelings or understanding, when we are the ones hurt.
Yep. That's the way I see it too.



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01 Jul 2015, 4:04 pm

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People have a right to be who they are, to display what they will, that's how america works, you don't have to like it, you don't have to agree with it, and you don't have the right to tell someone else they can't do something just because it makes you feel uncomfortable or offended. If you want to live your whole life not being offended by other people, then you can live in a hole, away from society, because that's the only sane method of doing so.


Yeah, you have the freedom to act like a jerk, but that doesn't mean other people don't have the freedom to call you a jerk. Freedom isn't all about you.

It's not about people "calling me a jerk", it's about other people trying to tell me that I cannot be myself because it offends them, that's what this topic is all about, it has nothing to do with their opinion and everything to do with their expectation that I change for their benefit. It's a load of horse crap.
The fact that you felt the need to meet my statement with hostility tells me that you either don't understand what's being said here about the topic, or you think I'm somehow being selfish in assuming my rights to be who I am, regardless of what other people think.
People have the freedom to think what they will about me, but that does not give them the right to tell me how to act, what to say, or what to do with my life, just because they find it offensive.

Of course others have the right to tell you how to act, what to say, or what to do with your life. You are an American resident, and freedom of speech is protected in America.

If you are offended by the things that people say to you then you have a range of strategies to try. I find politely explaining myself to be a good one. Just say that you don't like what they're saying and why (e.g. "I don't want your advice because I feel I know what is best for my life"). If that doesn't work, then you could try ignoring them.



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01 Jul 2015, 4:50 pm

VisInsita wrote:
Didn't you used to be all offended on the behalf of NT's here? ;)

In all seriousness... we people have a tendency to blame others for being too sensitive, politically correct or whatever, when we are the ones to have hurt them, while then blaming others for the lack of sensitivity, feelings or understanding, when we are the ones hurt.


I wouldn't say offended but I was greatly annoyed, but not in the way I'm talking about. The people that frustrated me literally insulted the NT group as a whole 'NTs are all illogical/stupid' etc. rather than simply expressing an opinion free of malice.


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01 Jul 2015, 4:55 pm

Norny wrote:
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Didn't you used to be all offended on the behalf of NT's here? ;)

In all seriousness... we people have a tendency to blame others for being too sensitive, politically correct or whatever, when we are the ones to have hurt them, while then blaming others for the lack of sensitivity, feelings or understanding, when we are the ones hurt.


I wouldn't say offended but I was greatly annoyed, but not in the way I'm talking about. The people that frustrated me literally insulted the NT group as a whole 'NTs are all illogical/stupid' etc. rather than simply expressing an opinion free of malice.

That honestly really bothers me as well. I don't understand why so many Aspies seem to think it's okay to outright hate on NTs. Is it really so hard for them to be compassionate?


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01 Jul 2015, 7:43 pm

I think as a whole, society is entirely too whiney. Strength has become a bad thing nowdays, and nobody thinks it's good to learn to have skin a little thicker and not care what some douchebag thinks of you. It's become all about emotion now, and not actions. It's even gotten into people's personal lives. An example for that would be in a thread months ago when I said that if I were single I'd want to date men in my age group and not older or younger. One overly sensitive twit called me an "ageist" because of that. Because of who I would be personally attracted to. It was about dating, not about who I would or wouldn't hire for a job.

Those are the kind of people who would ruin the world if actually listened to or given free reign. The best we can do with people like that is to ignore them completely. Of course that will make them try to sue us for bullying them, but so what?


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01 Jul 2015, 8:44 pm

LOL....Even if you were 21, I'd still be able to dig you, Olive!



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01 Jul 2015, 9:21 pm

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LOL....Even if you were 21, I'd still be able to dig you, Olive!



LOL, thanks! I'm not against other people pairing up with age differences. Hell, my best friend is a cougar and goes after guys who are barely legal and who only trigger maternal feelings. I don't care who gets with whom, I just personally am not attracted to guys who are too far out of my age range. This made that twit decide that I was ageist. So now a person's preference about who they are attracted to romantically is cause to label them some sort of "ist". That is the kind of insanity I'm talking about. However, I think that chick had her own issues about getting older and not being the hot young thing she wanted to be so she just projected them onto me and my preferences, but that still didn't make her not sound convincing to some of the folks who want to jump on the bandwagon every time somebody yells "BIGOTRY!"

You'd be hard pressed to see a majority of people stand up publicly for someone else who has been accused of some kind of half assed "ist" or "ism". People are too afraid of being labeled that themselves. I'm personally sick of the ridiculous crap. Eventually you will see it reach it's logical extreme end when a blind man sues the county for not employing him as a bus driver. After all, blind people should be given the same opportunities that everybody else has and driving is entirely too ableist centric! Maybe the deaf should judge American Idol too. Cops and firemen in wheelchairs should also be given a chance to do their jobs. And just because I'm 51 and can't lift over 50 lbs over my head is no reason at all that I shouldn't be hired as a longshoreman! It's only FAIR!

This brings me to that whole dumbing down of the physical requirements to be a cop and or fireman. Sure, there are women who can pass the same physical test as a man and they should be given the job, but I don't think that a job that can depend on your physical strength to save lives should have the physical requirements lessened. It's not sexist to say that you should be able to handle certain things. It's sexist to say you should be able to handle certain things and also have a penis. I think people really need to grow up and stop being such titty babies over everything and stop taking everything so Goddamned personally.


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01 Jul 2015, 11:09 pm

There is somebody I so wish I could tag for this thread lol!


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