80% of people on Autism spectrum are unemployed?

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31 Aug 2015, 1:30 pm

The only way out is to reduce the working week and increase pay, but the argument is so complex for selfish rich business owners to grasp that it will never become reality.

I refuse to use automated tills in a supermarket. I don't see why they should be there, they end up slowing me down, I will still have to wait for a human to come over and let me buy age restricted goods and remove security tags from high value items and i will have to wait my turn for that. Automated tills just take the micky out of the shopper who is made to work for free and be slowed down in order to save the company money.

Automation in manufacturing is good, I work in the field of electronics and some assembly work just cannot be competed by a human, I see no problem with it, but then businesses should be paying enough tax that we can all have an income and they sould pass on savings.

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31 Aug 2015, 1:58 pm

No ASS-P, sir. I really meant just hang out with them.

I know it's rather corny for us tough New Yorker types--but....maybe this might help in healing. Who knows?

Especially if the group is multi-racial.

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31 Aug 2015, 2:41 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

The solution is more welfare and basic income for people on the spectrum who can't get work, only then they will start making employing aspies a priority. 80% unemployment is a crisis, how are we all surviving? We probably will need a guaranteed basic income eventually with automation, what is going to happen when there is 75% unemployment because machines can do everything cheaper and more efficient than the individual worker? In theory everything would be cheaper since the costs of production would be less but I'm not sure I trust big business do you? Automation could free or enslave us depending on the steps we take to rectify it's problems.

I am not sure if more welfare alone, would really solve it...but if there was actually efforts to ensure the disability income is a livable amount, and get more on the ball about providing subsidized housing and things that help one become a little more stable I feel like that would be an improvement.

But yeah it interesting a lot of times the whole automation of various jobs is never mentioned when lack of jobs, trouble finding work is mentioned. I mean even a lot of politicians seem to miss the point they get stuck on 'every american needs a job' but a job isn't a solution unless your being paid a living wage and there are enough jobs to go around for everyone. With the advancements of automation and large corporations sending jobs over-seas for cheap labor, there isn't going to be a hell of a lot of 'jobs' to go around. The automation could be a good thing, maybe it will make the 40 hour work week a thing of the past since to divide up the less jobs, people may have to work less hours so everyone gets a turn. Either way automation is a major factor in this issue, but one a lot of people seem to forget about.

Automation taking jobs has been going on since the dawn of the industrial revolution. The more automation takes jobs away from manual labor the more of what I call "social industries" and "intellectual industries" arise-- these are things that are not actually needed to deliver a tangible physical product. These are things like advertising, PR, legal, financial, etc in the "social industries" and engineers, programmers, etc. in the "intellectual industries". None of those jobs actually produce a physical product, they're support systems for the industries that deal in physical products themselves. Let's say physical resource to product at your home was automated: an automated farm plants, tends, and harvests your food, an automated truck delivers the goods to a factory where it's automatically prepared and packed for delivery, then a drone picks it up and delivers it to your home on demand. In a world where manual labor is no longer required and inefficient even, the jobs of that world will be completely social or intellectual-- basically just all in our heads.

edit: fixed sentence.

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31 Aug 2015, 4:18 pm

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I like the automated check outs...seems to be quicker than waiting in the line for the regular cash registers, if I get cigarettes I just buy them at the customer service desk. But if i go to get a few things I don't feel like waiting behind 5 families with tons of groceries for the person to check out...not to mention its less awkward. I wouldn't like if a store only had automated check outs though since as you say its a hassle with some items and you still have to have the person come over.

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31 Aug 2015, 4:33 pm

Aniihya wrote:

The 80% figure comes from including everyone on the spectrum. People with Kanners/LFA represent a majority among the spectrum and the fewest of them are employed. However for people with HFA and AS, I have heard numbers between 40 and 60% unemployment in the US while in Europe it is significantly higher. Germany for instance has unemployment for people on the spectrum around 95% and for people with HFA/AS somewhere between 85 and 90%.

I think that in the latest statistics, there are more high functioning individuals than low functioning. I do agree though that people who are more disabled by their autism are much less likely to be employed.

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31 Aug 2015, 4:39 pm

Aniihya wrote:

Rudin wrote:

Dillogic wrote:

LFA is close to 0

HFA is a little better, but still close to 0 (under 10)

AS is a little better still, but the best I've found is around 30 percent employed, and it's usually menial jobs or family businesses

AS is a form of high functioning autism.

People with HFA have the tendencies to have high IQs which generally implies a low EQ. ASD and HFA are the same thing, AS is a subclass of ASD.

I thought HFA was different to AS in the sense that HFA was more a kind of high functioning version of Kanners while AS was a separate but similar diagnosis with the difference that while people with HFA are more likely to live independently, people with AS were more likely to find employment.

HFA is high functioning Kanners but what you're missing here is that there's no real difference between HFA and AS. In the DSM 4, where AS and autism were separate diagnoses, the only real difference between AS and HFA was that people with AS did not have a delay in language development. There's a reason why AS and autism are combined into a single diagnosis in the DSM 5 such that AS is no longer considered a separate disorder. Also, I think that many people with AS are unemployed because of it or have been unable to hold down a job.

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01 Sep 2015, 1:02 am

Sweetleaf wrote:

The problem with some of ours is your left in a que anyway, absolutely pointless, it's just to save big business money and put needed people out of work.

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02 Sep 2015, 1:05 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

No doubt that's true.

There's lots of discrimination.

It's because people aren't educated about the nature of Asperger's/autism. There's this assumption that an Aspergian might fly off the handle and shoot up the place. Human Resource departments everywhere are very leery of at least slight abnormality in people.

Maybe they wouldn't have to be so "leery" if they weren't constantly mistreating people left and right.

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02 Sep 2015, 1:40 am

Te problem I find is people seem to think they either have to be the bully or get bullied. Society would be a much nice place is we all ust got on with it without having to assert ourselves over each other just for the sake of it.

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03 Sep 2015, 8:10 pm

Percentage of no more than 50% (not 80) cited in this piece:

http://inneraspie.blogspot.co.nz/

Has anyone had direct experience to share with the Aspergers-friendly company mentioned in the link as an employee of it? Or any other connection? Here's a link to the company, Platinum Bay and their mission statement of "exceptional people (us) offering exceptional solutions":

http://www.platinumbay.com/

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09 Sep 2015, 6:22 pm

There are always assumptions being made, but redefinition often gets confused in political outcomes and debates.
With MP's on the road to nowhere, people are clamping shut the iron gate and restoring some inner city feat which hasn't been news since Nigella came out of prison. I guess this has more to do with Freedom of Speech than anything. I'd have to wonder whether I'd wear a bullet proof vest or not if I was to work somewhere within the E.U border lines, especially with a disability. How vulnerable would I be up against a law enforcement officer then?
I wonder if living with a disability is harder than confirming it to someone.

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10 Sep 2015, 6:56 am

Dillogic wrote:

The unemployment of LFA is grossly overstated, I read once it's actually higher than HFA because they are more likely to have jobs provided for them.

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