Rampage killer Chris Harper-Mercer was an Aspie
I have never been diagnosed with OCD, but I do feel I have shades of it from time to time. This may be why I hyperfocus on all of these crazy shootings and want to know everything about them so that I can make sure my son doesn't turn out to be one of them.....But you are right, there is no indication whatsoever that my son has any violent streak in him at all. I agree with you that the media for some reason is jumping all over this. I agree too in that these shooters were into some evil things before the shootings. I don't want the autistic community to continue getting a bad rap for this. It is not fair.
Thanks for your response!
You're welcome. Just raise him right with proper morality. Teach right and wrong and justice. Just love him and instil in him the ability to eventually forgive and love others and have compassion.
PS thank the crazy parents out there giving Asperger's and autism a bad name in order to get sympathy from people for this...thanks to them, the media is buying it
what has his race got to do with violence
Does anyone know if he was actually bi-racial? It's been reported that he self-identified as bi-racial, but that's not the same thing. Knowing how the Aspie mind works, he may have been talking about having an Anglo-Saxon father and a Celtic mother, or some such. He did have a fascination with the IRA.
Edit: Okay, I looked at a photo of him and he does appear bi-racial. Not that being bi-racial makes people go on shooting sprees or anything.
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His mother, whom he lived with, is African American and his father is from the UK.
The fact you are debating all of this in your head shows you are not and never were a psychopath and probably never will be one.
Psychopathy in my opinion is not a mental disorder. It is a choice to be evil and selfish and the pleasure of harming people and control. A lot of humans have this but to turn into one it seems that it takes a few factors but the majority of people are not psychopaths.
If you did hurt your dog I am sure you would feel guilt over it. You may say no, but I doubt it. You are worried about it. It is just OCD kicking in with instrusive thoughts.
I still don't feel any remorse about the animal or about things I did wrong as a kid. It's just live and learn and don't do that again.
I think of it as you are in a enclosed room and the walls are coming in on you, what are you going to do? You will try and break free so you will get aggressive and will you feel bad about it afterwards, I doubt it. That is what it was for me with that animal and my family were the walls coming in at me and the dog and I had no way out so I was pushing and fighting to get out of that enclosed room which was why I got abusive and then did self harm and then followed by animal abuse which was squeezing him, throwing him outside literally, pushing him with a broom or pounding on his crate with my fists or pushing it around with him in it whenever it was in the way. I just didn't care about that poor thing because of how much he was causing me and I feel justified. The only thing that held me back from torture and killing him was fear of being sent to a mental hospital because I was going crazy and was mental so if I had drowned the poor thing because he wouldn't quit pissing in the house and no one would keep him crated or outside so I solved my issue.
I remember a post a WP member here made in the Parents discussion about her 15 year old niece and she mentioned in one of her replies that she killed her husband's dog because he chewed up her sweater and my knee jerk reaction was she was a psychopath and all of a sudden members had sympathy for the OP because we all had realized the 15 year old had real issues than normal teen issues. That may have been me if the puppy never died.
I wrote more about it here:
https://mynoneabdlthoughts.wordpress.co ... me-and-go/
Also an interesting thing I read about OCD in "The man Who Couldn't Stop" written by David Adam who has OCD himself is that people with OCD can commit crimes due to their compulsion and some of them can get misdiagnosed with pedophilia or psychopathy. That made me think about this incident from when I was sixteen when we had that animal and it made me wondered if it was my OCD that was making me go crazy and I was having thoughts to kill him and feeling compulsions to do it but what held me back from doing it was fear of being sent away. I never told anyone about it because I didn't want to be sent away. So that threat of sending me to a mental hospital made me not want to tell anyone about my compulsions and urges and fantasies so I might have started doing it if he didn't die because I was too afraid to tell my parents. I think they might have gotten rid of the darn thing for his safety or just watch him more to catch him trying to take a piss so they can put him outside before he executes. Then bam I would have gotten my way after all but a 16 year old wouldn't know that. But if there is no remorse, then I must have that psychopathic trait because people with OCD would feel remorse wouldn't they? But in my logic, why feel bad for something that wasn't your fault. If I am driving let's say and some idiot jumped right in front of me all of a sudden before I could react because he wanted to commit suicide, why would I feel bad about hitting him if it wasn't my fault? If I wasn't paying attention let's say and he jumped in front of me, then I would feel bad because I would think if I had watched the road more, I would have reacted sooner and have more time to stop. His stupidity wouldn't have mattered. If you make a mistake, why feel bad about it? You just learn from it and move on and not do that again. It seems like people have the mindset that if you don't feel bad about it, you will do it again and they also think it means you do not care.
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Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
His mother is black, his father is white. Not that that has anything to do with anything.
True to some extend, but in the end it's the environment that puts people like this over the edge. The hatred that was shown was the exact same hatred that was put in and manifested into his psyche. This was an action that was planted in his head long before he actually committed it. While most people are able to resolve and gradually let negative experiences and thoughts go, others bottle it up and then bring their anger to either themselves or to the outside world and almost always at the expense of completely innocent people. For each of these tragedies, thousands more tragedies occur through suicide which the media gives way too little attention. It is part of the exact same problem, there is a huge mental health crisis in modern society. In each of these cases there are some clear common factors that weighed in heavily:
- early onset of mental pathology
Common in all cases. Mental illness has been diagnosed early but no proper long duration ( or permanent ) treatment is offered other than mind altering drugs such as SSRIs. These might onset depersonalisation or psychosis, especially if those drugs are not taken on a steady schedule. For example in another case the perpetrator would stop using his SSRI periodically to 'achieve greatness' ( psychosis ) which would later plant the ideas for his 'revenge' in his head.
- introverted behaviour with possible violent outbursts
All of these people are left on their own regard without professional or parental supervision. Especially when your child has a tendency to have violent outbursts you shouldn't let them on their own without some form of treatment and definitely shouldn't let them own any fire arms, knives or other dangerous weapons.
- socially shunned, bullying and little to no acquaintances
Common in all cases. This possibly is the main source of anger and frustration. The combination of bullying and social isolation leads people to build up anger. Social isolation may also lead to loss of empathy and depersonalisation which can have devastating effects. Isolate someone long enough without any kind of treatment or parent performing an intervention and anyone would gradually become emotionally numb. Add either anger or depression to this and you have a recipe for disaster.
- dysfunctional or broken households
Parents that were divorced and uninvolved with the lives of their children. Not common in all cases but statistically children from divorced households have a far greater rate of psychological disorders, violence and drug usage.
- feeling of powerlessness
Much of the motivations from these killings stem purely from a feeling of powerlessness. From the divorce of parents, absence of parents, abuse by parents, abuse by peers, lack of success, lack of friends, lack of a girlfriend or lack of a job: it all leads to a situation of complete powerlessness. These extremely violent acts are an attempt to gain ultimate control over others through violence and to completely get rid of the powerlessness. This is also why they kill themselves rather than letting themselves be incarcerated, they want to be in control until the end. A lot of violence in the world stems from otherwise powerless people trying to gain power over others.
- usage of psychotropic drugs
SSRIs can be a complete mind killer, especially when given to people with anti-social tendencies. A psychotropic drug will never be a replacement for proper treatment and guidance. People with a violent history shouldn't be given a drug like this without some kind of monthly mandatory check-up. Yet they are handed out like candies by pharmaceutics.
Were these people given proper care and not socially isolated this probably wouldn't have happened. There have been studies and cases of psychopathic and extremely violent children who would seriously hurt their pets, siblings or even parents. Through intensive treatment almost all of these cases have been resolved and they are kept under supervision. Cases which could not be resolved are put in permanent care because they form a danger for society. The difference with these cases is that not only these people were left to their own but were also thrown into the wild for other people to pick on and bully. A situation that will never lead to a positive result.
There is a good op-ed piece about this in the New York Times by Andrew Sullivan:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/12/opini ... ooter.html
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Fewer than 5 percent of gun crimes are committed by people with mental illness; fewer than 5 percent of people with mental illnesses commit violent crimes.
Tarring the autistic community in this manner — like presuming that most black people are thieves or that most Muslims are terrorists — is an insidious form of profiling. It exacerbates the tendency for people with autism to be excluded, teased and assaulted in childhood and adulthood.
You don't need a subscription to read it.
Members are not entitled to post comments that are "intended to provoke or belittle other members" and your unfounded generalisation approaches that level of provocation, so please moderate your behaviour.
I figured he was being sarcastic in the first sentence and then serious in the second.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
Members are not entitled to post comments that are "intended to provoke or belittle other members" and your unfounded generalisation approaches that level of provocation, so please moderate your behaviour.
I figured he was being sarcastic in the first sentence and then serious in the second.
I thought the same thing.
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I agree. Different people experience the same thing differently. There's no reason to follow that particular line of thinking if you're happy with yourself (and even if you're not, no need to hate yourself ).
I agree. Different people experience the same thing differently. There's no reason to follow that particular line of thinking if you're happy with yourself (and even if you're not, no need to hate yourself ).
When you've met one self-hating aspie, you've met one self-hating aspie.
It is just not part of the disorder to be violent.
There's something much more going on with these supposed Aspies than Asperger's Syndrome.
"Compared with the general population, adults with Asperger’s syndrome were nearly 10 times more likely to report suicidal thoughts. They were also significantly more likely to have these thoughts than people with one, two, or more medical illnesses, or people with a psychotic illness".
"Co-author and ARC Director Dr. Simon Baron-Cohen said, “Adults with Asperger’s syndrome often suffer with secondary depression due to social isolation, loneliness, social exclusion, lack of community services, underachievement, and unemployment".
source:
Suicidal Thoughts 10 Times More Likely in Adults With Asperger’s
http://psychcentral.com/news/2014/10/13 ... 76016.html
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