Ward of the state if you cannot keep house?

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I know what a ward is....I also know the 'state' in this country isn't particularly socialist. Not all form of system, law and government is socialist. What I mean is its not particularly people who identify as 'socialists' that are involved in that whole system of making someone a ward of the state. That would be the government allowing for people deemed entirely incompetent to care for themselves to become wards of the state. So either way its not specifically 'socalists' that would be our current system which isn't particularly socialist.

And no socialism is not defined by taking people over by force....that is more authoritarianism, and certainly more fascist in nature, though its possible to have a somewhat socialist economic system with an authoritarian or totalitarian government then it starts looking a lot like facism....also possible to have democratic socialism as well.

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Sweetleaf,

No offense, but you seriously need an education in social and political science.
You made so many contradictions in your reply, I really don't know where to begin.
Like trying to explain to a freshman in high school who's only taken algebra how to solve a (calculus) partial differential equation.

"I also know the 'state' in this country isn't particularly socialist. "
The USA is very socialist as we sit her, verified by man political scientists, academics and political science journals.
So you're wrong there.

"Not all form of system, law and government is socialist."
Not true. The size and reach of said govt determines how socialist it is.
The bigger the govt, the more power it has over citizen's lives, and their personal lives, the more socialist it is.
Even Minarchism (the smallest govt possible) is slightly socialist, because govt by its very nature is collectivist.
Centralized power bent on forcing people to conform to the govt. The more collectivist a society is , the more socialist.
Socialism is all about centralized power. The opposite is Anarchism. Which wouldn't be bad if our species were a peaceful one, which it is not.
So you're wrong there too.

"What I mean is its not particularly people who identify as 'socialists' that are involved in that whole system of making someone a ward of the state."
So by that logic I can claim I'm a vegetarian whilst I snack on a big mac with cheese and I'll officially be a vegetarian ? lol. You can label yourself anything you want, doesn't mean that's what you are. Socialists are socialists because they DO socialist things, in the real world. Not because they claim they're socialist.
Wrong there.
Also, you're saying that you can be involved in chopping up cows and dismembering them, and at the same time claim that you're not a butcher. Brilliant ! !

"And no socialism is not defined by taking people over by force..."
Of course it does. Every college professor, including the one that taught my class at the University I attended, knows this and teaches this. If you couldn't force people to do things you want them to do (collectively speaking) then socialism wouldn't exist. Only bartering and communal societies would exist. Which are FAR more preferable than socialist societies, which is really just a passive-aggressive form of authoritarian societies, aka totalitarian societies.
so you're wrong there too.

"And no socialism is not defined by taking people over by force....that is more authoritarianism, and certainly more fascist in nature".
You seem to be (still, even after I tried to explain it to you) that socialism is a kind of opposite of fascism. It's not.
And don't confuse the ideals of socialism , which are very altruistic and flowery and egalitarian, with the realities of socialism, as we practice it , know it , and love it, here, in the real world. Millions of mass graves can testify to the inevitable results of socialism. Fascism is highly collectivist (centralized power) and socialism is highly collectivist.

"also possible to have democratic socialism as well."
This is the ultimate contradiction. Like cold fire, or hot ice. LOL.
Democracy is direct rule by The People. Which they had in ancient Greece. Back then City-States were so small (about 30,000 citizens per city-state, and less in many cases) that everybody could gather in the City Hall and discuss societal issues and take a vote right then and there to decide what to do. "Demos" ..."the people" literally decide the fate of their society. This never happens in socialist Govts, let alone nations. The dirty little secret of socialist societies is that they're really and truly oligarchies. The People almost NEVER have a say in the fate and future of their nation/society.

You say you know this nation (USA) isn't socialist.
How do you know ? Have you been out there in the real world ?
Have you tried to start a business and dealt with all the red tape that comes with that ?
Have you participated in actual govt ?

The unfortunate thing about being so young is that youth thinks their knowledge is the same as wisdom.
Wisdom is suffering the slings and arrows of the real world, coming out alive and learning what's real and what's not.
Pure knowledge is useless in the real world. Knowledge is just blind facts.
And by your reply, that seems to sum up the content of your mind.
Not your fault , ultimately. That's what happens when kids are forced to attend State-run schools.
Look up the laws in your area. Many cities and counties can slap your parents with fines, penalties and even jail time if they don't enroll you in your local state-run, state-funded school.

What do you think they're going to teach you in there ?

lol

think for yourself and let the rubber meet the road, learn about reality,
instead of parroting stuff from a state-approved textbook. And yes, each state in the union has a board of professionals that "determine" what textbooks get allowed into the state school system , and which ones get screened out. Naturally, authors these days write textbooks that will meet the approval of these socialist school boards, why ? because you can make serious money if they pick your textbooks.

The U.S does not have a socialist system....it is you who needs some education. Especially when you think the Soviet Union is perfect example of 'socialism' and think that socialism must be tied to totalitarianism or authoritarianism....which it does not. In fact socialism works much better and more to the definition when it's accompanied by democracy rather than authoritarianism or toltalitarianism. You're a product of the cold war fear mongering from the sound of it.

Socialism is a system in which the goods and means of production are centrally or publicly controlled....it has nothing to do with how big the government is. Some socialism has the means of production and goods controlled by the government, which of course gives the government very disproportionate power...some socialism philosophy instead encourages 'public' ownership and the people having control rather than a powerful centralized government. There are multiple types of socialism....yet you seem to think there is only Soviet Union style socialism. I don't have to be some well read political science effort to see that you are vastly simplifying things.

Aside from that I cannot decide what world you came from...I do think for myself, when I was in school I heard all kinds of how socialism/communism are evil and capitalism is great and bla bla bla, it was when I started questioning stuff they told me in public school classes and such when I started to look more into ideas aside from american patriotism and capitalism. Don't assume I just blindly follow a bunch of crap I'm told just because you have a very basic simplified view of socialism that doesn't even correlate with the dictionary definition.

As for this thread its the mental health services the OP would need to be concerned about not the socialists coming to get them. But go ahead keep on thinking we live in an authoritarian socialist state, with commies hiding under your bed and in the closet to take you away. I'd be more concerned about fascist types/far right and the wealthy elite if I were you but to each their own.

No offense but I am not as stupid as you think I am and well I am a democratic socialist(fits closest to my views). Also if we want to talk about big government how do you explain all the 'we hate big government right wingers' who at the same time think the government should legislate religious morality and have no problem with the government spying on us all....because 'if you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear'.

And finally democratic socialism uses democratic the way it is currently used in the U.S....this country is a Democratic Republic, different than the basic definition of democracy which would more or less be mob rule. But you can't very well say democratic, republic, socialism too long and wordy.

There is nothing contradictory about democratic socialism by definition....in your world where it is defined as 'the bigger the government the more socialist it is' I suppose it is but that is not how the idea is defined in the first place so kind of irrelevant in the grand scheme of things .

I feel I have to bring this up, if only to rule it out:

Is it possible your dad is being controlling and the situation is not quite as bad as he implies? My dad used to do that to my mom and I, indicating we could be institutionalized if we didn't comply with what he felt was the right way to be. He had the ability to take any insecurity and twist it to his use in ways that couldn't actually be pointed out as overtly hostile. It took decades for me to realize he had mental illnesses of his own; he was that good at gaslamping and held a certain amount of power in our family.

@Sweetleaf,

you've already made up your mind out of pure ignorance.
I guarantee you that strategy will not hold you throughout your life.
Democracy and socialism are opposites, if you don't even know that, well ...
you can live in your little world and be right all the time (which I think is your main goal here) ,
I don't think you seriously care about the real world enough to have a learned debate and learn something in the process.

Have a Sad Happy Day

Sad and Happy are probably the same to you too, so now I'm talking to you on your own wavelength.

Peace out

P.S. I'm not wasting any more time battling your ignorance, bye bye

Oh, thank goodness! If you wish to reopen or continue your totally off-topic side argument, next time would you mind terribly making a new thread maybe in the "politics" sub-forum or something? Thank you.

THIS.

My own father was / is very abusive and a control freak of sorts. However, like most abusers, he managed to keep his cruelty and abusiveness under wraps, so that only our immediate family knew exactly what a nasty bit of work he actually is. My husband wouldn't even believe the things I told him about my childhood until he actually saw my father in action one day and he (hubby) was absolutely STUNNED - that is how manipulative and cunning my Dad was / is.

The first thing that popped into my mind as I read your post, OP, was that your father sounds like a controlling person. Are you sure that he's not trying to undermine your self-confidence and subtly controlling you by threatening you with the possibility of you becoming a ward of the state ? Has anyone else who has ever been in your home told you that your home is dirty and that you seem incapable of living alone ? If not, and if your father has shown controlling / abusive tendencies in the past, take his feedback with a grain of salt. Preferably don't even invite him into your home and arrange to meet at a public place, so that you don't have to deal with his games and manipulation. What he does not see will not bother him, aye ? If he insists on being in your home, as much as a bother this would be, take before / after pictures of your apartment to document what he saw during his visit, so if he does call APS on you, they can see these pictures and laugh him out of Planet Earth.

Good luck !

HisMom,

sorry you have to deal with that,
my dad is very similar except a lot more passive aggressive.

He can smite you with a wave of his hand.
Him being an Ashkenazi jewish person probably has something to do with it.
Not to mention the effect of the Second World War , which drove his mother, my grandmother, into mental insanity, due to the abuses the Nazis put on Jews in that Era.

So I guess he became a narcissist to compensate.
And the rest of our family has had to cope with that.

The penalties of war are great.
Assuming you survive.

I'm a child of war, on both sides of my lineage, my mother and my father.

Which is why I despise war, military, large governments, and anyone who subscribes to such.
I'd rather die than buy in to this culture, this nationalism, this military / uncle sam propaganda or anything else.