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08 Nov 2015, 12:40 pm

When DX as a kid. I was told autism. No one ever used aspergers. This was around 85-86.

They actually wrote child is "slightly autistic"

Do people just used aspergers as a form of functioning?

I also thought people with aspergers don't have a language delay and are not DX before 3.

Anyone want to help clarify?



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08 Nov 2015, 1:29 pm

It became and official diagnosis during the 1990's in order to diagnose milder forms of autism that were generally not bieng picked up until that time. Even though it was a seperate diagnosis it was understood by autism experts that it was part of the autism spectrum. It is considered a form of "High Functioning" Autism. "High Functioning" is not an official diagnosis and does not mean in clininitions language how well the Autistic functions in society. It means Autism combined with average to above average intellengence/an IQ above 70. Aspergers was officially seperated from other forms if high functioning autism by "no clinically significant general delay in language (E.G. single words used by age 2 years, communicative phrases used by age 3 years)". This vague language meant what Aspergers was or was not was often determined by the psychologist you were visiting.

The DSM diagnostic manual is used in America and other places while the ICD manual is used in the other locations. Aspergers is an official diagnosis in the ICD manual. In the updated DSM manual that came out in 2013 Aspergers Disorder was "subsumed" into the more general "Autism Spectrum Disorder" (ASD) diagnosis which meant all new diagnosis is supposed to be ASD and all those diagnosed with Aspergers Disorder under the old manual were supposed to keep thier diagnoses but have the name changed to Autism Spectrum Disorder.

Even in the locations where the DSM manual is used Aspergers remains a widely used colloquial term and unofficial diagnosis. As a colloquial term people can use it however they like. The term seems to be evolving unfortunately into the socially ackward above average to genius stereotype you see portrayed on TV.


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08 Nov 2015, 1:52 pm

That makes sense. Yeah, because honesty I always feel like I don't fit the mold of that guy from Big Bang or even the kid from parenthood.



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08 Nov 2015, 4:23 pm

Well actually, I took the FaceBook quiz on "Which Big Bang Character Are You" and I test out as Sheldon.
And I think it pretty much fits.
If you want, I can prove it, right here on the Internet ...
by posting a link to a YouTube video
that someone took of me at a Star Trek Convention
where I crashed the Battle of the Bands,
Klingon vs. Federation,
and started dancing in front of everybody
while dressed in character as Q.

If you wanna see it, just let me know and I'll post the link ... :P

And by the way, the Con people from Starbase Indy
have been using a still photo of me dancing
at that historic moment in 2012 to help advertise their annual conventions
for several years now ... :D

So Autism vs. Aspergers?
I like the term Creative ...

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08 Nov 2015, 5:25 pm

8O no sure if I believe you or if you're selling me volcano insurance.



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08 Nov 2015, 6:05 pm

Meeko_09 wrote:
8O no sure if I believe you or if you're selling me volcano insurance.


Well, in that case, here's the link to the YouTube video. It's called "Q Cuts Loose".

Click Here to Watch Video "Q Cuts Loose" of Me Dancing

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08 Nov 2015, 9:03 pm

It's all merged now, asperger and autism.
If it hasn't merged in some countries, it will soon.


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08 Nov 2015, 10:39 pm

the_phoenix wrote:
Meeko_09 wrote:
8O no sure if I believe you or if you're selling me volcano insurance.


Well, in that case, here's the link to the YouTube video. It's called "Q Cuts Loose".

Click Here to Watch Video "Q Cuts Loose" of Me Dancing

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ha, awesome.



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08 Nov 2015, 10:51 pm

Thank you, Meeko_09!

Hail and well met! :)



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09 Nov 2015, 12:08 pm

The only difference between Asperger's and autism, is someone decided to make a separate name for HFA. And to me it's like it divided the autism community. Like "everyone with Asperger's stand to the right and everyone with autism stand to the left". What if Hans' last name was Mudd? Would certain ASD people go around calling themselves "Muddies"?



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09 Nov 2015, 1:54 pm

I'm Sheldon Cooper just like my husband says I am. :P


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09 Nov 2015, 9:27 pm

EzraS wrote:
The only difference between Asperger's and autism, is someone decided to make a separate name for HFA. And to me it's like it divided the autism community. Like "everyone with Asperger's stand to the right and everyone with autism stand to the left". What if Hans' last name was Mudd? Would certain ASD people go around calling themselves "Muddies"?


If we were female, we would call ourselves "Mudd's Women"
like the Star Trek episode ... :D

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15 Dec 2015, 4:30 am

EzraS wrote:
The only difference between Asperger's and autism, is someone decided to make a separate name for HFA. And to me it's like it divided the autism community. Like "everyone with Asperger's stand to the right and everyone with autism stand to the left". What if Hans' last name was Mudd? Would certain ASD people go around calling themselves "Muddies"?


I do not know, sometime somewhere in the Polish internet (I'm Polish) saw a joke that people with Asperger is "Szlachta" (Polish aristocracy) and those with normal autism is a mere commoners :mrgreen:

But for me are all autistic are one and we autistic are better part of community than NTs :D



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01 Jan 2016, 2:18 pm

The whole language delay thing to me suggests that "regular" autistics processed information differently than aspies do, but since aspies are now falling under the ASD umbrella I think psychologists have come to a larger consensus that aspies and "regular" autistic people all have similar processing irregularities that differentiate them from other disorders and neurotypicals. These processing irregularities just vary in intensity. That's my opinion.



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01 Jan 2016, 2:39 pm

Exactly - and, there are examples of "regular" autistics (those with speech delay) have become high functioning with time and are doing ok with jobs and family - and there are aspies (the so called mild autism), who will never be able to live by themselves and have a job.....Who´s the "real" autistic then?
The distinction between "regular" autistics and Aspergergeans seems rather pointless.


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01 Jan 2016, 2:55 pm

I don't doubt some HFA are higher functioning than some as pies. We all have different IQs and areas of impairment (academics wise for me is math). I was just suggesting that the "regular" autistic person (for lack of a better adjective) processes information differently (not to suggest differently meant in an inferior manner). I personally think the pros of falling under the ASD umbrella outweigh an cons.