All aspies are sociopaths

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"Don't you EVEN start. Oh, and for the record, i am NOT little. I am 16 years old, 6 feet, and approx 135 pounds. You want someone little, go see Edward Elric. He's little, but he could still probably kick your butt. And if he can do it, I can do it a thousandfold."

I think you are taking yourself, and things in general, entirely too seriously. Lighten up Roxas!

Allright, i thought you were trying to take another swipe at me. I'm in a better mood today, so i'll heed your words... just this once. I guess its impossible to be mad forever, although if i see erkolos, he's dead meat.

[sarcasmmode]Oh, BTW, the quote button in the upper right corner of this post is quite a useful tool. It's SO much easier to use it.[/sarcasmmode]

In general people don't care about what they don't perceive.
That could be misconstrued.
Bluntness could be misconstrued.
Moral soundness, and having feelings can't though.
I wonder if I know a sociopath.
Aren't they good at passing as normal?

That's the scary thing

I wouldn't go as far to say "incapable of feeling fear" but have such a high threshold for feeling fear that they are for all intents and purposes considered "fearless" in the research. Primary psychopaths (the ones with no ability to feel empathy for others or a sense of guilt or remorse for wrongdoing and who tend to be highly manipulative and arrogant) are chronically at physiological underarousal, which causes them to seek out risky, dangerous, or forbidden situations for the thrill of it (to raise their arousal to something closer to optimum).

It's mainly the secondary psychopaths who have difficulty with planning ahead. Unlike their primary psychopath cousins, the secondary psychopaths have volatile emotions and are prone to act out aggressively when frustrated or insulted.

A study has shown that people with traits of secondary psychopathy (poor self-control, impulsivity, irresponsibility) recognize they have some social difficulties (mostly relating to impulsive antisocial behavior and inability to remain calm in difficult circumstances).

Many serial killers (and psychopath does not really imply serial killer or murderer) do come off as a bit off to others before they're caught (perhaps extremely pretentious and cynical or showing a high degree of fascination in morbid topics), but it isn't so out of the ordinary as to place them under suspicion of being a serial killer. Serial killers usually have some conditions in addition to psychopathy (sexual sadism being one common one).

The only reason i even said that is becuase i was seriously PO'ed at what you-know-who said. Yes, i did say that. No, i don't intend to do it. Even if i wanted to, it would be next to impossible to find him. But i don't. Having calmed down, i plan on giving him the benefit of the doubt and leaving him be, as long as he's learned his lesson.

Yes, i know that saying stuff like that is wrong. But he was wrong in his comments as well. I appreciate your concern, i really do. Just next time, don't take what i say too seriously, i'm not a psycho like the last dude.

From what I read Aspies are actually more like the opposite of sociopaths, they have difficulty expressing their feelings but do have feelings (deeper and stronger then normal even), they are highly empathic and feel for others in need, whereas sociopaths have little to no empathy.

This is how aspies get suckered by people so often, in todays society, empathy is a bad thing to have.

Sociopaths are also skilled and pathological liers, whereas aspies are regularly referred to as overly honest, even if for normal people it would make more sense to speak a white lie as to not hurt someone else feelings. (good example is a girl asking an aspie if he/she likes her new haircut, aspie will most likely answer honestly and hurtfully if he/she dislikes the haircut, a sociopath would answer depending on his intention, if its to charm the person the answer would be praising, if the sociopath finds enjoyment in insulting and belittling people, he'll answer with something hurtfull)

Then there is also the "social unsung hero" syndrome Attwood named so beautifully in his diagnostics criteria:

This doesn't only cause the getting suckered part, but also a general urge to help when an aspie sees someone/something in need, sometimes utterly disregarding his/her own safety until help is given.

I myself have this with humans and animals alike (even with plants sometimes).

I remember a couple years back I was participating in a big family picknick (100+ family members participating) and I noticed that a sheep in a field nearby had been standing in the same spot almost all day (goto love our attention for detail, noticing that 1 specific sheep out of a herd of over 500 is standing in the same spot all day by passing the same area just 2ce). Even though the rest of the herd had moved to another part of the field.

I took the binoculars and saw that it was stuck in a thorn bush. A large branch of thorns had lodged itself in the sheeps fur and it was stuck there for so long.

Without even thinking I dropped the binoculars, ran over to the field, jumped over the barbwire, jumped into the thorn bush and started pulling the thorned branches until the sheep was free.

Other members of the family came after me and asked me if I was hurt. I didn't understand why they were asking that until I looked at my arms and hands (and clothes) and noticed I was bleeding all over from scratches and wounds from the thorn bushes.

Other then that I pulled people out of car wrecks, persistently help older people cross roads, help people carry things, help people hold stuff while they are trying to open their cars, I tried to nurture dozens of hedgehogs, rabbits and birds back to health after finding them and saved many of plants from death (eventhough them dying was my own fault because I forgot to water them ...)

From what I see Aspies aren't egotistical or egocentric at all, they are only perceived that way because they have difficulty talking about something other then their interests, difficulty showing emotions and because they tend to speak out of line and sometimes interrupt conversations to speak while it isn't their turn to speak.

Aspies are also the greatest listeners and least judgemental people I know.

Luckily my interests include certain things that help with social interaction (music, books, certain well known TV shows, movies, the internet at large, cars and motorbikes) but on the other hand, the tone of my voice, the volume of my voice, the "to much or to little detail" thing and my non existent timing in conversations pretty much removes the advantage these topics give me.

Yeah they need stimuli because they can't receive it from other sources. That may be why they tend to seek out such situations where they become a danger to others, and in the end maybe serial killers.



But acting out aggressively when frustrated or insulted doesn't automatically indiciate psychopathy though does it?



Well others are completely oblivious to their social difficulties and believe that the world and everyone around them are wrong, and they are the only ones that are right and normal.



Yeah psychopathy doesn't immediately equal serial killer, but serial killer does equal either sociopathy or psychopathy. I think that for someone to be a serial killer they would need to be calculated, otherwise they would be caught almost immediately because of poor self control.

Also the primary and intelligent psycopath do probably recognise that they are different and thus try to maintain a sense of "normal" appearance to others. That is so that they will fit in and not be suspected of being different, crazy or psycho. Of course some probably don't even bother with this, and still remain calculated and have good self-control. I guess in the end, the human mind is still a large mystery waiting to be untangled.

Why do those with AS insist on assigning us purely positive stereotypes (to contrast us with NT's)? You are certainly wrong and not speaking for everyone.

True. At times I care, at times I pretend to care. I often don't bother to pretend when I don't care, but it happens.
I am what I am. Which is not an example out of a textbook.

I guess the nature of aspergers can make this discussion a bit difficult too.

Considering there is a rather broad scope of traits that people may have, both possitive and negative, but not necessarily has and the traits people do have depend from person to person in which function group they have problems and the severity of their problems in that area.

Like for example people can be dyslexic OR hyperlexic OR have normal language. Some can have weird physical ways or troubles with fine motorskills, others don't, some can have tics, others don't, etc.

The only true commonality that goes across the bord I see is troubles with social skills, which in themselves can still go from mild to severe and in some cases, with the correct help, if the severity of the social deficits isn't to bad, the person can be taught to read people in a logical way instead of the normal intuitive way, to compensate.

As long as the aspergers is mild alot of the problems can be relieved (not solved though) by training the person to use his mental abilities to relieve the troubles they have in area's that other people use intuition for.

I don't care if I feed the freaking troll!

'Too good to be touched'? How DARE you? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Some of these kids CAN'T touch people! It hurts! They can't even be hugged or held! Do you have any idea what that’s like? How dare you come here and tell them something so cruel! How dare you say it's just because they are high on themselves? Do you even have autism?
'Disregarding' social rules? How can you be so rude? It is YOU who has disregarded the rules! You are the one who has been impolite! How dare you come here and spout your holier-then-though logic! APOLOGIZE! APOLOGIZE NOW!

The troll laughs, wins, has had his fun by provoking a reaction and his behaviour is reinforced thus making it more likely that he will strike again and upset others. What you have done is selfish, stupid and pointless.

Some serial killers (a small minority) are psychotic (usually paranoid schizophrenia) rather than psychopathic. Their delusions are such that they think they're saving their life or the world by stopping some hideous conspiracy. Usually, people that psychotic are too out there to even leave their home, though, and the ones with less severe psychoses can ignore command hallucinations.

Traits of primary psychopathy (at subclinical levels) (and also of secondary psychopathy) are far from uncommon. Generally, the people who excel at socializing have at least a dash of primary psychopathy. Such people turn socializing into a job, in a sense. Full clinical primary psychopaths just take it further by having no trace of guilt and being completely committed to doing whatever it takes to get what they want (whereas people with merely slightly elevated traits of primary psychopathy will still experience some guilt, although somewhat less than the general population). They may go into sales, management, law, politics, or any other position that allows them to influence others or wield power. Both primary and secondary psychopaths tend to see themselves as aggressive (according to the same study I alluded to in an earlier post).

The OP was a bit of a low blow, but if he had worded it better I think he would have made a point with the superiority idea some posters have. I can understand wanting to have some kind of defense, but I think some people take the whole "let's look down on normal people socializing is for idiots" thing too far. I'm not saying people should force themselves to be more social if they don't want to, but turning your nose up at it is ridiculous considering the importance of developing good people skills and the happiness that can come from a decent social life. It's something I struggle with all the time, but it is always one of my main goals in life because I'm tired of being alone.

What you also have is that plenty of people with aspergers enjoy the benifit of having an above average IQ, which is a conciliation prize imho, because often the problems people with aspergers and autism in general have, hinders the possibility for them to use their intellect to make a life for themselves.

I personally crave social contact and having a girlfriend that understands me and envy people that are good in social settings.
Isolation is barely a choice if you can't handle social life. But some people make it a choice in an attempt to take control over their lives.