Has anyone ever thought you just have low self esteem?
Looking through my medical records from 4th-6th grade, it says I had low self esteem and my psychologist said mine was damaged. It was as if they didn't believe I was really that different and it was just all in my head. If I had low self esteem, it was because I didn't accept myself and I wanted to be normal so I was trying real hard and the only reason why I was this way was because of the negative opinions kids had about me and being rejected and treated different and problems fitting in or otherwise being different wouldn't have been a problem if kids were more accepting and open minded of differences. I even felt different since my early childhood years but I didn't really think much about it then because I was happy and my family didn't treat me any different and they treated all their kids the same, there was no singling out and inconsistent rules but once I was placed in mainstream, the real troubles started because while I was too normal for special ed where I was accepted by special needs kids, I was not accepted by normal kids so I was picked on more and disliked more and I felt very different than other kids and by 4th grade I just wanted to be normal when before I didn't really give a darn so my obsession with being normal started and I started to study people and behavior to figure out how to act and the right way of acting to be more likable.
If this is what they call low self esteem, then I guess lot of us have low self esteem then if we are mimicking others and copying their social skills and gestures to fit in more and changing our behaviors. Even at age ten I had decided to only copy what kids my age do, do not copying younger age groups or else I will get into trouble and hear "How old are you?" from my mother and being told what age I am acting. But yet still acting like my age still got me into trouble at school so go figure. That is when I noticed the injustice and how I am treated different than others and discriminated all because I am different. Who wouldn't have low self esteem from this but to say this is my only issue is an understatement. It felt like even the professionals didn't believe me when I tried expressing it when I was 10 and 11 years old how different I am. But yet my deficits showed on the tests they would give me. I figure this was because I looked normal and seemed normal. I wasn't drooling or acting any different to a point where anyone could tell I wasn't normal just by looking at me and seeing my mannerisms so to other kids I just came off as weird and rude and mean or like I was showing off.
I am not sure what adults thought of me but in my records they thought I had poor impulse control and I was aware of social norms but my poor impulse control kept me from having good social skills so that was my reason for rejections and also I was labeled as having a behavior problem and my behavior was seen as attention seeking and my psychologist I used to see thought my behavior was due to damaged low self esteem so I act out. But I guess this is the curse of being high functioning and being close to normal, people just assume you're normal so of course that will bring you anxiety and low self esteem and depression because of the high demands and expectations. Then people say your problem is low self esteem, depression, and anxiety but they don't even look at what you are that way in the first place and what causes you to head there. If I were homeschooled I might have been happier but then I wouldn't have learned better social skills. If I didn't care about being different or what other kids thought of me and I didn't care to be liked or to have friends, I might have had a happier childhood but I don't think I would have been a better person so it's a double edge sword.
If I was kept in self contained classroom, I would have been happier and have normal self esteem because I would have had lot of friends and be liked and feel normal despite being different too but yet if they had kept me in that class, it would have regressed me and stunted me and who knows what other damage it might have done to me so also a double edge sword. I don't blame my parents because they did their best and wanted what's best for me so Murphy's Law. Either way would have ended up with bad results.
Has anyone ever thought you had low self esteem after you would express how different you are from lot of people and explain what your problems are? Did it ever feel like they didn't believe you? What about professionals? Did they ever think you just have low self esteem?
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Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
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Super common for girls/young women/women to be misdiagnosed that way. Especially by practitioners or assessors who either have an antiquated understanding of autism, or don't realize boys/men and girls/women can show very different symptoms or behaviors. At one time some psychs truly believed there was no such thing as female Aspergers, too. The overly blunt "male brain theory" didn't help create more accurate assessments, either.
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I think people thought I had way too much self esteem. But that's probably cultural; self esteem is considered highly suspicious where I come from
Btw, please start using paragraphs. I am actually very interested in what you have to say, but the above text wall is almost unreadable. I'm sure this is an issue for others as well.
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When I was eight, my mother told me for the first time that I had ear infections and couldn't hear so I couldn't talk when I was little so I thought "That is what made me different." Then I had an explanation for other kids why I "talked funny" and why I "didn't know how to talk." But by 4th grade I knew I had more going on than language. I had better language skills and had a higher vocabulary but guess what, still different and still same results so it didn't explain everything.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
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When I was eight, my mother told me for the first time that I had ear infections and couldn't hear so I couldn't talk when I was little so I thought "That is what made me different." Then I had an explanation for other kids why I "talked funny" and why I "didn't know how to talk." But by 4th grade I knew I had more going on than language. I had better language skills and had a high vocabulary but guess what, still different and still same results so it didn't explain everything.
That's cute The explanation about people talking funny, I mean. Sometimes inflections annoy me, but I've mostly always found people to sound theatrical and amusing. I had to learn when I was young to not repeat what they said because I found the inflections funny for seeming superfluous and almost campy. I guess I'm fortunate to find those things amusing.
I was in speech therapy to learn word pronunciation and to say endings and beginnings of words, also to learn social skills like turn taking, staying on topic.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
LOL I used to get upset for not getting a turn or not being picked. I also remember in 4th grade, my teacher would occasionally hand out a fun assignment that isn't for grades nut just for fun. We do everything on the paper he tells us to do and and there is no erasing allowed. But I wanted to get a perfect on it and because I couldn't process the instructions and understand them and I needed to hear them over and over I would get anxiety in class for not understanding the instructions and because the teacher was going too fast all because I wanted to be a perfectionist. I also knew I had something going on there because I couldn't keep up and I needed to hear them over and over to try and figure out the instructions so I can get it right and get everything right on the paper. There was no prize or anything and no grade so why the fuss you know? Why did I had to get that 100% instead of just having fun and not get upset if I don't get it right you know? It's not like I was going to come home and get punished for not getting everything right on that paper or get made fun of for not doing everything right on it by other kids because lot of kids goofed up on it too in my class. But I just wanted to be perfect. I also remember being in 6th grade and I would get upset for not getting a 5 rating for my behavior at the end of every tutor period. The school therapist thought it would be a great idea to rate me and my behavior and social skills but all it did was it gave me anxiety and would upset me whenever I would get a 4 or lower and I would try hard to be perfect so my mom decided to end the rating system. Once they got rid of it, my anxiety lessened. I realize I was a perfectionist then. There was also no prize for a perfect score or any consequences for getting a score less than five. I am not sure what that rating system was meant to be and how is was supposed to help me. My mom doesn't know either and thought it was stupid which is why she made them quit doing it.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
A long time before I'd heard of AS, I did a personality profile questionnaire and everything was completely normal except moderate introversion and massively low self-esteem. And years later a counsellor said I showed a very curious mixture of high and low self-confidence, i.e. depending on exactly what we were discussing, I had either complete faith in myself or no faith at all. One or two people at work noticed that when I was attempting a task that was new to me, I was being ridiculously slow and careful about it. That was all pre-diagnosis. I can't remember anybody saying that my ASD wasn't autism but low self-esteem. It's pretty rare that anybody tells me what kind of a person they think I am.
I was told as a adult that I had low self esteem, or people telling me that I was less than other people. She grilled me when I requested an evaluation. It was really difficult.
I ended up having to go through another avenue for diagnosis.
Kraftiekortie: that describes me as a kid JUST a little bit.
LeagueGirl: I was i speech for years as well. Hazards of not pronouncing my 'R's correctly.
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My profile has words 'Shy' and 'Wants to be a leader of a group' (had this fulfilled in both 'controlled' AND 'uncontrolled' environment).
I had this odd mixes of confidence level. No one's able to pin point how much self esteem I had. Not even myself.
Even though I'm female, being a social charmeleon IS never the first thing it comes to my mind in any social occasions. Even after diagnosis. Even after envying NTs. Even after several explicit statements that I 'have' to.
First and last time it ever came to my mind was only in High School, which is my lowest point of my life. But I was unwilling to begin with, so I gave that up fast.
Why external changes when I can change internally?
Even at this present, no one still can assess how much self esteem I have. All I know is that I have 'enough'.
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Yes, and it was the most infuriating thing ever.
It took me ages to understand how their lack of belief that I could be confused or actually not know the answer to a question I asked or unable to understand something was related to their (to me) bizarre ideas about me lacking self-esteem and confidence. (And I was only able to do so with the help of others explaining their perspective.)
It was ironic, too, because I would consistently argue with them and try to ask them to explain their beliefs about my self-confidence/-esteem (they never did, although in fairness I may not have asked clear-enough questions or even put my questions into proper question-format) and tell them they were wrong and that they were driving me crazy trying to convince me I needed to do something to improve my self-confidence -- eventually saying to them if they didn't want to believe me or listen to me then fine, but could they please just agree to disagree and leave me alone.
I don't know.
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