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19 Feb 2017, 11:44 pm

There is no better or worse. We are all human.


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21 Feb 2017, 2:18 am

I don't think that NDs are better than NTs, or the other way around; however, as societal expectations are mostly dictated by the values of NTs, the neurological/cognitive differences of NDs can put them at a disadvantage. Things that come naturally to NTs don't always come easily for us, and we might behave differently to them, but because they have a monopoly on the determination of societal expectations, we are perceived as being somehow 'wrong'. As this is simply judgement based on the behaviour of the (largely NT) majority, NDs are fundamentally no worse than NTs, nor better; we are just different.


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21 Feb 2017, 2:21 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
There is no better or worse. We are all human.


Agreed, and I would extend that belief to all social minorities. I don't believe that it's right to put oneself above others for any reason.


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21 Feb 2017, 3:02 am

If humans didn't have this urge to invalidate the groups/systems they don't belong to, we could quite possibly complement each other.



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21 Feb 2017, 4:29 am

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If humans didn't have this urge to invalidate the groups/systems they don't belong to, we could quite possibly complement each other.


This is true; I don't think a society composed purely of NDs would work, but NDs add diversity and value in the predominantly NT society. More acceptance would be better, though.


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21 Feb 2017, 9:14 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIyoXk_BdGQ
Yes, there are Asperger people that are idiots and NTs that are brilliant. However, in general we see reality more clearly and more creatively. ( that is not a contradiction. We see patterns better ) I think it is a superior trait to not be interested in small talk. Small talk is for those not smart enough to say anything interesting.
As a percentage ( yes NTs have contributed more to civilization and culture but that is because there are way more of them then us) more of us have advanced civilization then NTs have.


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21 Feb 2017, 9:23 am

I realize that saying that certain mental characteristics are superior is politically incorrect ( BTW I am a liberal ) . However, I strongly believe that creativity, lack of racial prejudice and a desire for social justice are superior traits. However, I will not join hands with trumpers and sing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPN3Fv2aJhE


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21 Feb 2017, 9:31 am

Note that I said in general. I am not saying that there are no racist aspies or that all NTs are racists. I am saying that as a percentage of our aspie population more of us are not racist compared to the percentage of non-racists in the NT community. My best friend is an NT! LOL


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21 Feb 2017, 10:03 am

wittgenstein wrote:
However, I strongly believe that creativity, lack of racial prejudice and a desire for social justice are superior traits

Those aren't autism traits. I'm extremely uncreative and hate the social justice movement.



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21 Feb 2017, 10:26 am

I am saying that if a person is an aspie it is more likely they will have those superior traits. I am not saying that every aspie is creative etc. Nor am I saying that if you are an NT you are a racist etc. Scroll back


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21 Feb 2017, 10:37 am

wittgenstein wrote:
I am saying that if a person is an aspie it is more likely they will have those superior traits. I am not saying that every aspie is creative etc. Nor am I saying that if you are an NT you are a racist etc. Scroll back

Source?

"Superior", lol, ok.



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21 Feb 2017, 11:02 am

So you are saying that being creative and unprejudiced are not desirable qualities?


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21 Feb 2017, 11:12 am

I provided a source in the OP about our superior creativity. Here is a source about our other superior traits. It is interesting how the NT that made the study that is reviewed at this site takes our positive traits and makes them sound negative. For example that our concern for our reputation is less important then the truth is somehow a bad thing.
http://www.autism-advantage.com/autisti ... chers.html
[ The study claims that ] “enhanced capability in logical consistency” is evidence of a “core neurobiological deficit”. If you’re wondering what “enhanced capability in logical consistency” means, to paraphrase Rudyard Kipling it’s being able to keep your head when all around you are losing theirs.
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Basically the study is not biased towards aspies ( it is actually biased against aspies) and yet the data it provides reveals that we are superior in many ways. The data has more credibility because it was provided by an anti-aspie NT. Similarily, if I provide data from a conservative site that shows that a liberal position is correct the data is more reliable then if the data came from a liberal source.


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21 Feb 2017, 11:14 am

It depends on the person with Aspergers.

There are some who are not creative in the least.

And there are non-Aspergian/"NTs" who are creative in the extreme.

I'm not "proud" to have an autism spectrum disorder---but I'm not ashamed, either.



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21 Feb 2017, 11:27 am

Scroll back. I never said that all aspies are more creative etc. I am saying that if you are an aspie it is more likely that you will have those superior traits.


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21 Feb 2017, 11:31 am

wittgenstein wrote:
So you are saying that being creative and unprejudiced are not desirable qualities?

Creativity is an advantage for sure, but it doesn't make someone "superior". Not being racist etc should be expected rather than seen as desirable. And social justice... that's something incredibly divisive, with people having different opinions - no one opinion is "superior".
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I provided a source in the OP about our superior creativity.

I'm not seeing it in either of the 2 links.



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