Can an autistic person have better social skills than an NT?

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14 Mar 2017, 11:52 am

I also think that many aspies are logical and they use that logic to keep from saying hurtful things to people. That couls hurt that person's feelings, so I won't say it. Some NTs don't have that, so they don't think of whether words could be hurtful or not.


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14 Mar 2017, 12:48 pm

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How are doctors able to tell if someone just has poor social skills than an ASD or social communication disorder or just have symptoms (BAP)?


There is far more autism than just poor social skills.



I know that, I am trying to ask how do they separate what symptoms are part of ASD or just the person just having poor social skills. You can have symptoms and not have an ASD so I am asking how a doctor would be able to differentiate between the two.


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14 Mar 2017, 1:19 pm

I think in some ways we have better social skills than an NT. But in a lot of ways we're worse at it. The reason why we're better at it is because we're honest. Most autistics are more honest and blunt than people that aren't. Because I say what I believe and think out loud without even thinking of it. Which leads me into trouble some of the time. But I like people being honest. But the things we're worse with is social interaction. We don't know when the appropriate time is to talk about things. Or get facial expressions that well. And get sarcasm a lot of the time. And several other things I can't think of at this moment.



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14 Mar 2017, 1:30 pm

I think with the black and white thinking can make someone with an ASD have better social skills than an NT. I have noticed that NTs seem to break them all the time and I suspect there are social cues for when that rule doesn't apply while an ASD person will follow them all the time no matter what.


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14 Mar 2017, 3:29 pm

As a person with on and off self-loathing and low self-esteem, I don't go around making other people feel bad about themselves to make myself feel better. Instead, it's the other way around; I prefer to make quiet or odd or fragile people feel better about themselves by being friendly and understanding with them. I KNOW there are NTs out there who do the same, but there are still a lot that seem to have to treat some people like s**t. If a person is nice but odd and even annoying, I still like them and wouldn't be nasty. People that are a bit different actually fascinate me and I want to get to know them and be friends. I have never bullied anyone in my life.


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14 Mar 2017, 8:13 pm

That depends on how you define "better". I like to think I have more tolerant and sensitive social skills because I've been on the receiving end of intolerance and insensitivity growing up.



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15 Mar 2017, 12:21 am

Yes. It's definitely possible. On Reddit they call them neckbeards. Neckbeards are known for having poor social skills and general life skills. Some of them could be aspies, but a lot of them are actually NT. A lot of aspies I've met tend to be pretty well adjusted and pleasant to be around. They can run circles around NT neckbeards.


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15 Mar 2017, 1:59 am

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Yes. It's definitely possible. On Reddit they call them neckbeards. Neckbeards are known for having poor social skills and general life skills. Some of them could be aspies, but a lot of them are actually NT. A lot of aspies I've met tend to be pretty well adjusted and pleasant to be around. They can run circles around NT neckbeards.


I frequently go on there and I have never even heard of that term. Would my first boyfriend be considered a neckbeard because he had poor social skills and poor hygiene and he was fat but he was a undiagnosed schizophrenic and he had a beard around his mouth. I did find a thread on there about dating neckneards and lot of the stories were creepy I would think they all had mental issues because no normal person acts that way.

I have met some ABDL men online and they seemed to have worse social skills than autistic people do.


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15 Mar 2017, 2:52 am

League_Girl wrote:
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Yes. It's definitely possible. On Reddit they call them neckbeards. Neckbeards are known for having poor social skills and general life skills. Some of them could be aspies, but a lot of them are actually NT. A lot of aspies I've met tend to be pretty well adjusted and pleasant to be around. They can run circles around NT neckbeards.


I frequently go on there and I have never even heard of that term. Would my first boyfriend be considered a neckbeard because he had poor social skills and poor hygiene and he was fat but he was a undiagnosed schizophrenic and he had a beard around his mouth. I did find a thread on there about dating neckneards and lot of the stories were creepy I would think they all had mental issues because no normal person acts that way.

I have met some ABDL men online and they seemed to have worse social skills than autistic people do.

Maybe. It's hard to describe neckbeards, but you know them when you see them. They tend to be into atheism/skepticism, wearing fedoras and trench coats, arguing with people online, my little pony, anime and video games. An example of neckbeard behavior would be telling people there's no proof of ghosts when they're having fun telling each other ghost stories. Maybe your ex boyfriend was a neckbeard, maybe he wasn't. Hard to know from your description.


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15 Mar 2017, 3:02 am

Do you need to be "normal" to be a neckbeard and not have any mental disorders or any mental illnesses?


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15 Mar 2017, 3:21 am

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Do you need to be "normal" to be a neckbeard and not have any mental disorders or any mental illnesses?

No. Aspies can be neckbeards as well. But I think a lot of them are NT or at least non-autistic.


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15 Mar 2017, 4:55 am

Lunella wrote:

League_Girl wrote:
How are doctors able to tell if someone just has poor social skills than an ASD or social communication disorder or just have symptoms (BAP)?


There are certain quirks which make it so they can tell, like blank expression, "soulless gaze" etc.
A new specialist came around to my friends house, like her regular specialist doctor therapy person and the first time they met he was like "I can tell you're autistic just from looking at you" which I can get, cause it's the whole 'shifty' look thing.


Yeah no. Unusual affect is an optional class A (social criteria) criteria for autism, many people on the spectrum are actually very expressive, and many people off the spectrum aren't. For autism what there really needs to also be is the class B criteria, which are a bunch of miscellaneous stuff which have nothing to do with social interaction.


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15 Mar 2017, 4:58 am

League_Girl wrote:
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League_Girl wrote:
How are doctors able to tell if someone just has poor social skills than an ASD or social communication disorder or just have symptoms (BAP)?


There is far more autism than just poor social skills.



I know that, I am trying to ask how do they separate what symptoms are part of ASD or just the person just having poor social skills. You can have symptoms and not have an ASD so I am asking how a doctor would be able to differentiate between the two.


If someone is autistic, you can't just separate poor social skill that are because of AS and those which aren't because people are dynamic. Autism is a developmental disorder, not a static condition. To make the distinction, you need to look for other symptoms of autism.


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15 Mar 2017, 5:39 am

As someone who Is not autistic I have met people who are way more socially acceptable than myself and lightly autistic.

It is very possible and likely because you can train how you react to things



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15 Mar 2017, 8:36 am

DevilKisses wrote:
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Do you need to be "normal" to be a neckbeard and not have any mental disorders or any mental illnesses?

No. Aspies can be neckbeards as well. But I think a lot of them are NT or at least non-autistic.


https://www.reddit.com/r/neckbeardstories/

Legbeard = girl neckbeard.

I think neckbeards are just a variety of people autistic or not, possibly with other mental health / neurology conditions and they get lumped into this forum for lack of self awareness.


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15 Mar 2017, 9:32 am

I guess neckbeard is a term people throw around at people who are socially stupid and act inappropriate and are creepy and have poor hygiene. I guess my first ex could be considered one.


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