My teenage aspie daughter says she is transgender

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09 May 2017, 8:47 am

Good morning. Thank you for all the replies. My intention was not to disrespect anyone on this forum but to see if any other mothers that have Asperger teens have gone through the same thing. Since she was 12 years old she has gone from one extreme to another.....First she was Gay and decided to cut all her hair off herself, than she became a furry and was obsessed with fursuits and know she has stated she is transgender. I love my daughter will all my heart but I suspect that she may be just trying to figure out who she is. She has not had an easy life with all of the bullying she's had to endure.
So with that being said I truly hope that doctors and therapists will take their time before they give her a prescription. Just 6 months ago she was trying on dresses that she needs for a wedding and she was quite happy how she looked in the mirror.
She has just revealed to us that she wants to be a boy and honestly I don't think its fair for her to all of a sudden want to be called by a different name or be referred to by him or he. This is a huge adjustment for her entire family and it will take time and understanding by all. I'm not saying it will never happen but not overnight.



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09 May 2017, 9:36 am

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Good morning. Thank you for all the replies. My intention was not to disrespect anyone on this forum but to see if any other mothers that have Asperger teens have gone through the same thing.

I don't think you disrespected anyone. I didn't notice anyone acting upset in the replies.

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Since she was 12 years old she has gone from one extreme to another.....First she was Gay and decided to cut all her hair off herself, than she became a furry and was obsessed with fursuits and know she has stated she is transgender. I love my daughter will all my heart but I suspect that she may be just trying to figure out who she is. She has not had an easy life with all of the bullying she's had to endure.
So with that being said I truly hope that doctors and therapists will take their time before they give her a prescription. Just 6 months ago she was trying on dresses that she needs for a wedding and she was quite happy how she looked in the mirror.

It would have been rather helpful if you had disclosed this upfront!

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She has just revealed to us that she wants to be a boy and honestly I don't think its fair for her to all of a sudden want to be called by a different name or be referred to by him or he. This is a huge adjustment for her entire family and it will take time and understanding by all. I'm not saying it will never happen but not overnight.

Ah, somehow it looks like I'm the one who upset you. Well, that certainly wasn't my intention.

So you wanted "see if any other mothers that have Asperger teens have gone through the same thing" but don't care for the answer from the one person who has replied and has gone through the same thing and instead take umbrage at my answer? I really shouldn't have bothered, should I?


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09 May 2017, 9:41 am

Please validate him. Gender dysphoria is common on the autism spectrum and it's extremely painful even with full acceptance from the people in our lives.



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09 May 2017, 10:10 am

I can understand why the OP is confused. Her daughter (or he) has always switched roles and decided to be something so how is she going to know her daughter is serious this time about her gender? It's like crying wolf.

I do agree with the therapy approach.

Yes it's also pretty common for people to not know they are transgender until they are older and some even think they're gay or lesbian before realizing they are transgender. It's also pretty normal for teens to switch roles because they are trying to find themselves and fit in and who doesn't want to fit in? Aspies are people too so they also go through normal phases like NT kids. So the OP doesn't know if this is what her child is doing or if she is doing the common gender dysphoria thing. It's very confusing. Only way to tell is if she never grows out of it but that will be a few years before the OP knows for sure. I don't think it's fair to say the OP is transphobic when she is just confused and doesn't know because of her daughter's history. I think coming here to ask us questions is a good sign.

Yeah I said she because I also don't know if the daughter is transgender. But on the other hand I can also probably understand why some trans folks here might take this all to heart what the OP is saying because they also probably decided to come out as trans as a teen and weren't taken seriously so their parents refused to refer them as their "new"gender and using their new name. I don't think it's always done intentionally by cis parents. I wouldn't call them transphobic if they don't know or understand or are also just confused. I think the OP coming here to try and understand is far from being transphobic. A transphobic wouldn't care to understand and even bother asking questions because they just don't care and are too closed minded to care or understand.


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09 May 2017, 10:16 am

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...I do agree with the therapy approach....

My understanding is that the therapy begins first and, in almost all cases, is expected to be completed before moving on to subsequent steps. One of the reasons this is practiced first is to "shake the tree" somewhat and challenge the client's notions of what lies ahead.


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09 May 2017, 10:27 am

aspier wrote:
Good morning. Thank you for all the replies. My intention was not to disrespect anyone on this forum but to see if any other mothers that have Asperger teens have gone through the same thing. Since she was 12 years old she has gone from one extreme to another.....First she was Gay and decided to cut all her hair off herself, than she became a furry and was obsessed with fursuits and know she has stated she is transgender. I love my daughter will all my heart but I suspect that she may be just trying to figure out who she is. She has not had an easy life with all of the bullying she's had to endure.
So with that being said I truly hope that doctors and therapists will take their time before they give her a prescription. Just 6 months ago she was trying on dresses that she needs for a wedding and she was quite happy how she looked in the mirror.
She has just revealed to us that she wants to be a boy and honestly I don't think its fair for her to all of a sudden want to be called by a different name or be referred to by him or he. This is a huge adjustment for her entire family and it will take time and understanding by all. I'm not saying it will never happen but not overnight.


There is the concept of genderfluid which it could be also. Unlike many here I am not going to say based on a few posts whether she has a atypical gender identity or it is a passing thing. I can say this if she is not transgender/has been swayed by friends she will find out that being atypical in the real world while better than living a lie is a lot less glamourous then it sounds on TV or on social media. That is why there will be a lenghy process before any hormones are put into her.

Whatever it is based on your posts I think something of significance is going on. Posters that both accept that current awareness is real and posters whom are skeptical of it agree that going to a proffessional is a good idea. Also here at wrong planet we have an section for people with atypical gender identities and orientation or who are confused about these things. She maybe should join. If she does join us let her do so in privacy, resist the temptation to pry.

Good luck to you both.


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09 May 2017, 10:28 am

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Gender dysphoria is common on the autism spectrum

No it's not, even studies that have been done do not back this in the slightest.

Anyway, OP may well identify with this

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2016/auti ... d-movement



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09 May 2017, 10:42 am

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saintpedrogluestick wrote:
Gender dysphoria is common on the autism spectrum

No it's not, even studies that have been done do not back this in the slightest.

Anyway, OP may well identify with this

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2016/auti ... d-movement


Lol, please get your cult bull out of here. Where's the "backing" you speak of? All I'm seeing is propaganda for child abuse.



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09 May 2017, 11:16 am

The Atlantic magazine published an article ( https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ty/507509/ ) in 2016 which, while some descriptions of specific individuals can be considered harsh, does present a good understanding of the state of influence between Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD) and Gender Identity Disorder (GID). Most importantly is its choice of research studies to show the disproportionate rate of ASD among individuals with GID:

“Initial Clinical Guidelines for Co-Occurring Autism Spectrum Disorder and Gender Dysphoria or Incongruence in Adolescents” (2016) ( http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1 ... 16.1228462 )

“Increased Gender Variance in Autism Spectrum Disorders and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder” (2014) ( https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 014-0285-3 )

“Autism Spectrum Disorders in Gender Dysphoric Children and Adolescents” (2010) ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2904453/ )

The online publication Spectrum published the article “Living between genders” ( https://spectrumnews.org/features/deep- ... n-genders/ ) in 2016. The article included research studies to show the disproportionate rate of ASD within individuals with GID:

“Gender dysphoria and autism spectrum disorder: A narrative review.” (2016) ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26753812 )

“Brief Report: Autistic Features in Children and Adolescents with Gender Dysphoria.” (2015) ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25772537 )

“Gender identity and autism spectrum disorders.” (2015) ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25744543 )

Anyway, I don’t mean to flood this topic with research, but it might help to understand the amount of investigation of this topic has received so far.


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09 May 2017, 11:55 am

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saintpedrogluestick wrote:
Gender dysphoria is common on the autism spectrum

No it's not, even studies that have been done do not back this in the slightest.

Anyway, OP may well identify with this

http://www.crisismagazine.com/2016/auti ... d-movement


I understand the skepticism fully. I have seen so many things I and everybody thought were revolutionary that turned out to be snake oil. They wasted valuble time and energy and sometimes hurt people. On the other hand a popular opinion was that the rock music I listened to was a satanic cult prying on vulnrable teens. More relevent to this forum there are many including proffessionals that are convinced Aspergers/Mild Autism is a scam invented to pad the profit of drug companies and the psychology profession by prying on ackward socially inept children and teens and thier parents. So that and living for decades in a world unaware that my type of "mild autism" even existed is why I am open to the possiblity that the seemingly sudden sharp rise of atypical gender identity awareness is tapping into something that was always around but unrecognized and surpressed.

If I were to hazard a quess a few decades from now we will look at all of the awareness and identitities(including autistic) of this era the way we look at 60's. Some of it was real long overdue change and some of it is what the hell were they thinking. But that it all it is a guess nothing more because I don't know and neither do you most of you no matter how certain you think you are.


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09 May 2017, 11:57 am

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I wouldn't call them transphobic if they don't know or understand or are also just confused. I think the OP coming here to try and understand is far from being transphobic. A transphobic wouldn't care to understand and even bother asking questions because they just don't care and are too closed minded to care or understand.

No one has accused her of being transphobic.


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09 May 2017, 12:02 pm

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League_Girl wrote:
I wouldn't call them transphobic if they don't know or understand or are also just confused. I think the OP coming here to try and understand is far from being transphobic. A transphobic wouldn't care to understand and even bother asking questions because they just don't care and are too closed minded to care or understand.

No one has accused her of being transphobic.


I did. She said the thought of her daughter transitioning to male "terrifies" her and hey, if the boot fits...



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09 May 2017, 12:03 pm

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League_Girl wrote:
I wouldn't call them transphobic if they don't know or understand or are also just confused. I think the OP coming here to try and understand is far from being transphobic. A transphobic wouldn't care to understand and even bother asking questions because they just don't care and are too closed minded to care or understand.

No one has accused her of being transphobic.



I at first thought I was imagining things after reading your comment so I look back and found this:

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Good for her. I don't understand why you have to be transphobic (even saying it "terrifies" you) and use the slippery slope logical fallacy that she's on "a path to destruction" just because she has figured out who she is and what gender she identifies with.


so nope I didn't imagine anything and I actually did see it so I am not crazy. But it did say the person had edited their post so maybe they put that in after you read it?


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09 May 2017, 12:04 pm

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liveandrew wrote:
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I wouldn't call them transphobic if they don't know or understand or are also just confused. I think the OP coming here to try and understand is far from being transphobic. A transphobic wouldn't care to understand and even bother asking questions because they just don't care and are too closed minded to care or understand.

No one has accused her of being transphobic.



I at first thought I was imagining things after reading your comment so I look back and found this:

JohnnyLurg wrote:
Good for her. I don't understand why you have to be transphobic (even saying it "terrifies" you) and use the slippery slope logical fallacy that she's on "a path to destruction" just because she has figured out who she is and what gender she identifies with.


so nope I didn't imagine anything and I actually did see it so I am not crazy. But it did say the person had edited their post so maybe they put that in after you read it?


The only edits I made to that post were changing "logic" to the more accurate "logical fallacy" and "what she is" to "what gender she identifies with."



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09 May 2017, 12:07 pm

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You wouldn't discuss autism on a transgender forum so not sure why you're asking autistic people about being transgender. Transgender is just the condition du jour for left-wing social justice warriors. If your daughter said she was a thin person in a fat person's body so wanted to stop eating and purge when she does you wouldn't support her, you'd get her treated for bulimia or anorexia, yet somehow being transgender is now fawned on despite it simply being a mental health condition. People who experience transgender desires are statistically no happier after being "transitioned" and still have a higher than normal suicide rate so the transition is doing nothing for them. Also studies have shown that some medications like Pimozide can remove these desires altogether. Add to that the fact that a lot of teens do show these kinds of feelings, as well as other feelings that simply come from growing up and being confused and they often pass. Also if her friends are seemingly getting more attention for being xyz-sexual then that might be a driver for her also.

There's nothing wrong with taking her to a doctor to discuss things further but this may well just be a phase that passes, like the phase where she wanted a pony, wanted to be a princess, or the myriad other fads that children go through.

^what a load of crap all that is...I am sure if it is any sort of fad going to the doctor and doing whatever counseling to do the process would figure that out. But if its something she really is very serious about just ignoring it or trying to deter her from the idea would probably be the worst idea.


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09 May 2017, 12:10 pm

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liveandrew wrote:
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I wouldn't call them transphobic if they don't know or understand or are also just confused. I think the OP coming here to try and understand is far from being transphobic. A transphobic wouldn't care to understand and even bother asking questions because they just don't care and are too closed minded to care or understand.

No one has accused her of being transphobic.



I at first thought I was imagining things after reading your comment so I look back and found this:

JohnnyLurg wrote:
Good for her. I don't understand why you have to be transphobic (even saying it "terrifies" you) and use the slippery slope logical fallacy that she's on "a path to destruction" just because she has figured out who she is and what gender she identifies with.


so nope I didn't imagine anything and I actually did see it so I am not crazy. But it did say the person had edited their post so maybe they put that in after you read it?

My apologies, I completely missed that!


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