Have you considerd psycedelic drugs to help with autism?

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03 Jun 2017, 3:34 pm

I don't know if this topic is allowed here. But I think it's a valid discussion that is now more and more supported by science. Specificity I am talking about the use of ecstasy scientific name MDMA and psychedelics such as LSD and "Magic" mushrooms.

This stuff is probably terrifying to some people here. But have a look at these links. Some scientists feel these drugs have a benefit for various types of people more so than years of therapy. Of course they still think they should be taken under the care of professionals and not causally on the weekend.

https://thethirdwave.co/psychedelics-autism/

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/278536/ ... -lsd-trip/

https://www.wired.com/2017/05/scientist ... chedelics/

I wonder if these things could perhaps give people with autism more insight into how we need to interact with the world. Personally using these drugs has vastly changed my perception and ability to interact with other people. I am still an autistic person. It did not fundamentally change my brain in that way but I feel like less of an autistic person if that makes sense. Much of the depression I had about it was gone. I just felt like I am me and that is enough.

So I guess you could say the self-esteem someone like a therapist could give you. That process works for some people. I don't want to say it does not. But I think a lot of people myself included got very frustrated with therapists. All they are doing it helping you make a change from within. They can not do it for you if you know what I mean. A Psychedelic will do the same thing for you.

People just need to do some research and not believe some of the DARE propaganda. I believe in the future the use of these drugs in therapy will be common place.



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03 Jun 2017, 5:49 pm

I think it could be a very bad life choice for some people.

There are certain people with certain brains that LSD will screw up and there is no way of knowing until the damage is done.

Based on these facts alone I cannot condone LSD use for any medicinal uses even though a psychiatrist will prescribe mind altering drugs to same type of people that LSD will screw up.


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04 Jun 2017, 12:54 am

I'd never recommend using but you have a field which is your mind and you have a plow which is a powerful substance, that's how I look at it, the rain falls from internal weather, everyone has their own way of navigating that patch of land. For me, the digging afterwards by your own hand with the trusty shovel is the most telling. You don't need something as heavy as the plow but it is there, you can't really control that like you can the simple shovel.



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04 Jun 2017, 3:01 am

Mr_Miner wrote:
I don't know if this topic is allowed here. But I think it's a valid discussion that is now more and more supported by science. Specificity I am talking about the use of ecstasy scientific name MDMA and psychedelics such as LSD and "Magic" mushrooms.

This stuff is probably terrifying to some people here. But have a look at these links. Some scientists feel these drugs have a benefit for various types of people more so than years of therapy. Of course they still think they should be taken under the care of professionals and not causally on the weekend.

https://thethirdwave.co/psychedelics-autism/

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/278536/ ... -lsd-trip/

https://www.wired.com/2017/05/scientist ... chedelics/

I wonder if these things could perhaps give people with autism more insight into how we need to interact with the world. Personally using these drugs has vastly changed my perception and ability to interact with other people. I am still an autistic person. It did not fundamentally change my brain in that way but I feel like less of an autistic person if that makes sense. Much of the depression I had about it was gone. I just felt like I am me and that is enough.

So I guess you could say the self-esteem someone like a therapist could give you. That process works for some people. I don't want to say it does not. But I think a lot of people myself included got very frustrated with therapists. All they are doing it helping you make a change from within. They can not do it for you if you know what I mean. A Psychedelic will do the same thing for you.

People just need to do some research and not believe some of the DARE propaganda. I believe in the future the use of these drugs in therapy will be common place.


why in general discussion?
what's DARE?
ecstacy's more a stimulant like amphetamine, or meth or ritalin, no?
completely different from psychedelics, watch who you're with...

under guidance of some behavioral therapist? im very concerned of this re-education,
hypnotised into some cult-ish behavior of the propped "groupthink of the moment" thing ?
now the externalised empaatpoints signalling culture (validating the ostentatious, the outside, the mask)
that's so opposite to the re-validation of your own values that could/should occur,

link to DARE, please, but there would be DARPA in that somewhere?



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04 Jun 2017, 3:02 am

When I was much younger, I experimented with a wide range of drugs and gravitated to psychedelics, including LSD, because I think I sensed that I had something to learn or gain from them. And I did. I took various psychedelics (LSD, peyote, psilocybin) a total of about 150 times. Of these, about 100 were LSD experiences. In general, I think these experiences (most good, some bad, some transcendent) were of great benefit to me and taught me things nothing else could. HOWEVER, I knew some other people who were damaged, either in the short or long term, by them. With these drugs, what you take from them is intimately connected to what you bring to them. It's very much an individual matter, and I'm not going to recommend my route to other people without knowing them very, very well.


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06 Jun 2017, 4:50 pm

I took psychedelics long before suspecting that I was on the spectrum. I'm not going to list all of them because there are a lot, but one in particular stands out. My experiences with LSA stripped away a lot of my anxiety about communicating with people, and I felt very much "in the moment". Those effects didn't last, but they were a welcome change.



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06 Jun 2017, 4:56 pm

I would consider taking any kind of drug rather than mainstream medication.
I'd love to try LSD but can't source it.


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06 Jun 2017, 5:13 pm

Raleigh wrote:
I would consider taking any kind of drug rather than mainstream medication.
I'd love to try LSD but can't source it.


Nor should you. LSD itself isn't physically dangerous, but you have to have a lot of trust in the source. Unless you know an actual LSD specific dealer you're running a high risk of getting a blot sheet with nothing on it, or worse, a PCP derivative, and PCP can be physically dangerous. I recommend magic mushrooms, they'll give the same effect, it only lasts half as long (LSD can make you trip up to 10 hours depending on dose), and it's easy to tell if they're legit (if they smell like a rugby player's dirty gym socks, they're psilocybin mushrooms-- the kind you're after).



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06 Jun 2017, 5:30 pm

I've never heard of anyone having magic mushrooms around here.
Licking cane toads is the closest you can come to a psychedelic experience it seems.


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06 Jun 2017, 6:00 pm

Raleigh wrote:
I've never heard of anyone having magic mushrooms around here.
Licking cane toads is the closest you can come to a psychedelic experience it seems.

I'd highly recommend against that too-- never know when it's going to turn into a prince, and that's a whole lifestyle change right there...



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07 Jun 2017, 9:01 pm

I don't recommend. I had good money at one time, then abused just for 2 months woke up lost all that money.



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08 Jun 2017, 1:00 pm

I am to visit a coffee shop called "Grey Area" in August, when I visit Amsterdam for the day. I believe cannabis can be an effective alternative to mainstream medicine for those on the spectrum.


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08 Jun 2017, 1:37 pm

Why would going on a bad trip (and it very likely would be a bad one) help autism?? All those freaky hallucinations and colors and mixed-up senses, I've read about man. They sound terrifying. That combined with sensory overload issues would likely have you jump screaming out of a window to your death. 8O

LSD is very a creepy and very illegal drug. Am I the one here who would never touch it if it was legal? I don't even touch alcohol or cigarettes.



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08 Jun 2017, 2:02 pm

JakeASD wrote:
I am to visit a coffee shop called "Grey Area" in August, when I visit Amsterdam for the day. I believe cannabis can be an effective alternative to mainstream medicine for those on the spectrum.


Although personally I don't think cannabis is as dangerous as LSD can be , it can still be a game of Russian Roulette if you introduce a mind altering drug to you brain. Although it is very unlikely you would do permanent damage from just trying cannabis - it does happen , there are definitely people in the world who should not use cannabis.


Edit: I feel like my posts in this thread may come across as preaching but I speak from personal experience and I think it would be irresponsible of me to not point out the dangers involved especially as there might be young impressionable people reading this.


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08 Jun 2017, 2:24 pm

Whilst I accept that marijuana certainly can be dangerous, I do believe that it can have significant benefits IF used responsibly. From a personal perspective, problems have arisen in the past because of the type of weed/skunk I was smoking/eating. The THC levels were far too high, and I was left feeling even more confused and paranoid than usual.

I believe the quality is far greater in Amsterdam, so I am most excited about my trip in August.

I am still of the view that, on the whole, cannabis is no more harmful than nicotine and alcohol. Thus, I am a vehement advocate of its legalisation.


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08 Jun 2017, 2:35 pm

JakeASD wrote:
Whilst I accept that marijuana certainly can be dangerous, I do believe that it can have significant benefits IF used responsibly. From a personal perspective, problems have arisen in the past because of the type of weed/skunk I was smoking/eating. The THC levels were far too high, and I was left feeling even more confused and paranoid than usual.

I believe the quality is far greater in Amsterdam, so I am most excited about my trip in August.

I am still of the view that, on the whole, cannabis is no more harmful than nicotine and alcohol. Thus, I am a vehement advocate of its legalisation.


All I can say Jake is do your research , you clearly know what doesn't work for you which is always a plus point.

I don't know how accurate this article is but it might point you in the right direction.

Edit: I just had a look at the current menu for the 'Grey Area' and they don't stock any of the strains listed in the article so you may have to shop around.


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