When did you first learn to drive?
KiannaKitter
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21 Jul 2017, 2:42 pm
drwho222 wrote:
We are a socialist nation. Our taxes are over 50% because we pay to have everyone taken care of, no one who can't provide for themselves gets left behind, we have one of the best healtcare systems and childcare systems in the world too and the best social system....if we didn't have those high taxes and high prizes there would be no money to pay for all that. And I know it sounds crazy to you American's but it kinda works for us. There is a reason we are named the happiest people in the world, helping others feels good. I stand by our system and regret nothing.
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Most Americans, including those who consider themselves "Liberal", would look at this and say you have a system where the Government acts as Mommy and Daddy. The problem we have with Socalism is that we see no reward for individual achievement, nothing to make people strive for better. And its not viewed as true freedom because the government wont let you keep what you have earned. If you tried to impose over 50% taxes on all Americans, you would have armed revolution on your hands inside of a week. My understanding is also that not all Danes like or agree with this system, and see its potential to be used by parasitic people and immigrants from places like Turkey who come over for the goodies but who hate your people and your culture.
Dont get me wrong, I would like more socalism in the USA. But not to the extent it exists in your country. I mean, you pay all that, and the government still wont let you learn to drive? If the taxes are over 50% then drivers education should be provided free of charge for the trouble IMO.
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Most Americans, including those who consider themselves "Liberal", would look at this and say you have a system where the Government acts as Mommy and Daddy. The problem we have with Socalism is that we see no reward for individual achievement, nothing to make people strive for better. And its not viewed as true freedom because the government wont let you keep what you have earned. If you tried to impose over 50% taxes on all Americans, you would have armed revolution on your hands inside of a week. My understanding is also that not all Danes like or agree with this system, and see its potential to be used by parasitic people and immigrants from places like Turkey who come over for the goodies but who hate your people and your culture.
Dont get me wrong, I would like more socalism in the USA. But not to the extent it exists in your country. I mean, you pay all that, and the government still wont let you learn to drive? If the taxes are over 50% then drivers education should be provided free of charge for the trouble IMO.
Of course there are always gonna be some people who are against it. But it works for the majority. We know some people come here to take advantage of us, we are not dumb. But we are keeping an eye on it and are constantly trying to counter-act it. And in regards to the Mommy and Daddy comment, well...some people need that. Some people are sick in one way or the other and can't provide for themselves. Should be just let those people suffer? No. We take care of our people. That is the difference between Danes and Americans....in the US it is every man for himself and people who can't take care of themselves are left on the streets to die. Here people only live on the streets if they want to. I honestly don't know how you live with yourself when you see all the suffering in your country. It makes me sad.
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21 Jul 2017, 4:52 pm
KiannaKitter wrote:
drwho222 wrote:
We are a socialist nation. Our taxes are over 50% because we pay to have everyone taken care of, no one who can't provide for themselves gets left behind, we have one of the best healtcare systems and childcare systems in the world too and the best social system....if we didn't have those high taxes and high prizes there would be no money to pay for all that. And I know it sounds crazy to you American's but it kinda works for us. There is a reason we are named the happiest people in the world, helping others feels good. I stand by our system and regret nothing.
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Most Americans, including those who consider themselves "Liberal", would look at this and say you have a system where the Government acts as Mommy and Daddy. The problem we have with Socalism is that we see no reward for individual achievement, nothing to make people strive for better. And its not viewed as true freedom because the government wont let you keep what you have earned. If you tried to impose over 50% taxes on all Americans, you would have armed revolution on your hands inside of a week. My understanding is also that not all Danes like or agree with this system, and see its potential to be used by parasitic people and immigrants from places like Turkey who come over for the goodies but who hate your people and your culture.
Dont get me wrong, I would like more socalism in the USA. But not to the extent it exists in your country. I mean, you pay all that, and the government still wont let you learn to drive? If the taxes are over 50% then drivers education should be provided free of charge for the trouble IMO.
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Most Americans, including those who consider themselves "Liberal", would look at this and say you have a system where the Government acts as Mommy and Daddy. The problem we have with Socalism is that we see no reward for individual achievement, nothing to make people strive for better. And its not viewed as true freedom because the government wont let you keep what you have earned. If you tried to impose over 50% taxes on all Americans, you would have armed revolution on your hands inside of a week. My understanding is also that not all Danes like or agree with this system, and see its potential to be used by parasitic people and immigrants from places like Turkey who come over for the goodies but who hate your people and your culture.
Dont get me wrong, I would like more socalism in the USA. But not to the extent it exists in your country. I mean, you pay all that, and the government still wont let you learn to drive? If the taxes are over 50% then drivers education should be provided free of charge for the trouble IMO.
Of course there are always gonna be some people who are against it. But it works for the majority. We know some people come here to take advantage of us, we are not dumb. But we are keeping an eye on it and are constantly trying to counter-act it. And in regards to the Mommy and Daddy comment, well...some people need that. Some people are sick in one way or the other and can't provide for themselves. Should be just let those people suffer? No. We take care of our people. That is the difference between Danes and Americans....in the US it is every man for himself and people who can't take care of themselves are left on the streets to die. Here people only live on the streets if they want to. I honestly don't know how you live with yourself when you see all the suffering in your country. It makes me sad.
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Things are stil much better in the US than they are in much of the rest of the world. My father is a man of very modest means who just this year needed cardiac bypass surgery. His insurance, which anyone with a decent job can get, covered the entire procedure and he got all the time and therapy he needed to recover. Whatever horror stories you have heard of the US health care system, the fact is that if you are willing to work you've got the best care in the world avalible to you. Thats part of the reason why Mexicans are trying to get here. Whatever you think of the US, its a far sight better than Mexico at everything.
We make you sick? How about West African nations where slavery is still practiced, where women are subjected to barbarous genital mutilation, and where people die daily from diseases that are easily cured by antibiotics? Yes, we have huge amounts of resources and can and should do more to help those you speak of. People do fall through the cracks, these things do happen. But your system just wouldnt work here. Americans value their independance. And most would see your Government as a back door tyrany. A government that provides you with everything can just as easily take all you have (seems that yours already does). You say that people there only live in the streets if they want to...what do you mean by that? I also think that your system will ultimately fail, because its contrary to human nature and far to vulnerable to those who would abuse your system. In a nation where a doctor is treated the same as a custodian, you are going to have many custodians and no doctors.
KiannaKitter
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21 Jul 2017, 5:14 pm
drwho222 wrote:
KiannaKitter wrote:
drwho222 wrote:
We are a socialist nation. Our taxes are over 50% because we pay to have everyone taken care of, no one who can't provide for themselves gets left behind, we have one of the best healtcare systems and childcare systems in the world too and the best social system....if we didn't have those high taxes and high prizes there would be no money to pay for all that. And I know it sounds crazy to you American's but it kinda works for us. There is a reason we are named the happiest people in the world, helping others feels good. I stand by our system and regret nothing.
*************************************************************************************************
Most Americans, including those who consider themselves "Liberal", would look at this and say you have a system where the Government acts as Mommy and Daddy. The problem we have with Socalism is that we see no reward for individual achievement, nothing to make people strive for better. And its not viewed as true freedom because the government wont let you keep what you have earned. If you tried to impose over 50% taxes on all Americans, you would have armed revolution on your hands inside of a week. My understanding is also that not all Danes like or agree with this system, and see its potential to be used by parasitic people and immigrants from places like Turkey who come over for the goodies but who hate your people and your culture.
Dont get me wrong, I would like more socalism in the USA. But not to the extent it exists in your country. I mean, you pay all that, and the government still wont let you learn to drive? If the taxes are over 50% then drivers education should be provided free of charge for the trouble IMO.
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Most Americans, including those who consider themselves "Liberal", would look at this and say you have a system where the Government acts as Mommy and Daddy. The problem we have with Socalism is that we see no reward for individual achievement, nothing to make people strive for better. And its not viewed as true freedom because the government wont let you keep what you have earned. If you tried to impose over 50% taxes on all Americans, you would have armed revolution on your hands inside of a week. My understanding is also that not all Danes like or agree with this system, and see its potential to be used by parasitic people and immigrants from places like Turkey who come over for the goodies but who hate your people and your culture.
Dont get me wrong, I would like more socalism in the USA. But not to the extent it exists in your country. I mean, you pay all that, and the government still wont let you learn to drive? If the taxes are over 50% then drivers education should be provided free of charge for the trouble IMO.
Of course there are always gonna be some people who are against it. But it works for the majority. We know some people come here to take advantage of us, we are not dumb. But we are keeping an eye on it and are constantly trying to counter-act it. And in regards to the Mommy and Daddy comment, well...some people need that. Some people are sick in one way or the other and can't provide for themselves. Should be just let those people suffer? No. We take care of our people. That is the difference between Danes and Americans....in the US it is every man for himself and people who can't take care of themselves are left on the streets to die. Here people only live on the streets if they want to. I honestly don't know how you live with yourself when you see all the suffering in your country. It makes me sad.
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Things are stil much better in the US than they are in much of the rest of the world. My father is a man of very modest means who just this year needed cardiac bypass surgery. His insurance, which anyone with a decent job can get, covered the entire procedure and he got all the time and therapy he needed to recover. Whatever horror stories you have heard of the US health care system, the fact is that if you are willing to work you've got the best care in the world avalible to you. Thats part of the reason why Mexicans are trying to get here. Whatever you think of the US, its a far sight better than Mexico at everything.
We make you sick? How about West African nations where slavery is still practiced, where women are subjected to barbarous genital mutilation, and where people die daily from diseases that are easily cured by antibiotics? Yes, we have huge amounts of resources and can and should do more to help those you speak of. People do fall through the cracks, these things do happen. But your system just wouldnt work here. Americans value their independance. And most would see your Government as a back door tyrany. A government that provides you with everything can just as easily take all you have (seems that yours already does). You say that people there only live in the streets if they want to...what do you mean by that? I also think that your system will ultimately fail, because its contrary to human nature and far to vulnerable to those who would abuse your system. In a nation where a doctor is treated the same as a custodian, you are going to have many custodians and no doctors.
You are missing my point. I am talking about those people who CAN'T work. What about them? At least here they are covered while over there they are left to fend for themselves. And it is not against human nature, compassion is one of the most human emotions. The US is just selfish and won't pay for someone else to live a decent life when they can't make that happen for themselves. We do. And yeah, we have people on the streets but they get enough money to get a roof over their heads if they wanted to, they just choose not to because they like their freedom on the road in summer and they have shelters in winter.
We are covered with everything too on our healthcare, so that is nothing special. And you say you can afford it but I have friends in the US who complains that they just can't so they can't go to a doctor. Your healthcare maybe is decent for people with money, but if people can't find jobs to pay for it, then what is the point?
Tyranny? Really? We are built on teamwork, trust and compassion, that is in no way a tyranny. We by the way also have the lowest rate of corruption of any nation in the world. Our government would never turn on us.
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Stop wishing you looked like someone else or wishing people liked you as much as they like someone else. It's a waste of time.
Stop trying to get attention from those who hurt you. Stop hating your body, your face, your personality, your quirks - love them.
Without those things you wouldn't be you and why would you want to be someone else? Be confident with who you are. Smile.
And if anyone hates on you because you're happy with yourself then you stick your middle finger in the air and say "Screw it."
My happiness will not depend on others anymore. I'm happy because I love who I am.
I love my flaws, I love my imperfections, they make me ME - and me is pretty amazing.
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21 Jul 2017, 6:45 pm
I am learning now at age 17, but nowhere near being able to drive yet.
My parents both learned to drive in their late 30s. Before then, they lived in a place where it was better to ride a bike or use public transportation.
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21 Jul 2017, 7:13 pm
drwho222 wrote:
To all non Americans, I should clarify something. In the USA, the majority of people learn to drive and get their licence in High School, after taking a Driver Education course during their third year. The behind the wheel training is given usually by your Physical Education teacher. There is a fee, but its nowhere near as expensive as in Denmark.
Damn, they should have that in my country. School was no help.
In my country the "usual" way to pass the theory test required before one can start lessons is to memorise a 130 page book and sit an exam. No help, you just buy the book. I tried for three years but I just can't memorise 130 pages of text. It's a bad system. Eventually I found a driver theory course at the local community centre.
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21 Jul 2017, 7:34 pm
drwho222 wrote:
The problem we have with Socalism is that we see no reward for individual achievement, nothing to make people strive for better.
Really both systems have big disadvantages. Capitalism gives more sales either to the company who makes the best product or to the company who makes the worst product best marketing.The drive to offer products at the lowest price can lead companies to squeeze workers. Longer hours, lower wages. Of course if there was a shortage of workers they could bargain for better conditions but there's more often a shortage of jobs than a shortage of workers.
Outsorcing to Foxconn in China is fair game under capitalism.
I'm all for individual achievement, so long as it allows for second chances. I believe the US does allow for second chances but in places like China, they get to sit the college entrance exam only and if they fail, they have to work at Foxconn.
Capitalism can lead to companies trying to protect their market position even when they know their product isn't very useful. Such as the private prison system which is designed to get offenders back into jail fast because the prisons are paid per prisoner per year. This increases the bill to the tax payer. Funny that some politicans would begrudge people a few thousand per year of welfair yet they're happy to pay tens of thousands per year per prisoner. Americans talk about "freedom" a lot yet they have more people behind bars than any other country. So much for "freedom".
Achivement is great but it should be less competative. When you're trying to study more than a guy who's trying to study more than you, it leads to an arms race in which both of you end up studying more than would be nessessary to upskill to the desired job.
I prefere capitalism but it should be regulated. For example, the natural environment is worth trillions of dollars so destroying it to make a mere few billion is like destroying a $20,000 car because you didn't want to pay a small amount for an oil change.
The thing dooming the environment is that capitalism rewards short term gain. Environmental problems might hurt their profits one hundred years from now but in the short term, the most successful companies will be the ones who think about their profits five years from now.
Please don't think I'm trying to hate on your country, there are several things they do better than my country (e.g. the interstate system) and I'd hate to live in a country with a 100% socialist economy.
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21 Jul 2017, 8:34 pm
I got my permit at 15, mom taught me to drive and I got my license right after I turned 16. With bad asthma, bicycle riding had it limits on how far I could go. Dad taught me to drive a manual transmission a couple years later. In my 30's I got my motorcycle endorsement so I could ride a larger engine maxi-scooter. I tried regular motorcycles but grew quickly tired of the shifting and heat coming off the engine between my legs. A scooter has its engine down low and behind me, no shifting and much quieter. My Honda Elite 250 is just as quick as my wife's 500cc Honda Magna motorcycle. She might be able to go faster on the highway, but I can beat her light to light since she has to shift. If it wasn't for the snow and brutal cold we get in the winter here, I would only own a scooter. To me is the perfect way to get around, easy on gas(65-75mpg), light weight so easy to move around and the solitude while riding is golden! Mike
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22 Jul 2017, 8:34 am
I illegally drove from the age of 11 until recently.
I learn things by quietly watching and I just get it. Never read the Highway Code, had two lessons (2 hours) with a close friend of the family and passed with not one minor. I have many qualifications in manual tasks where I have watched people but stick me in a class with people and it's melt down time.
Forgive me for the illegal part. But motor vehicles have always been my segregation. The only way to truly get away from society. The only reason I got my licence is because I currently live in my brothers car or van and it wasn't fair on him to disrupt his way of life so I got it. Everyone that knows me was over the moon and so proud. Personally I couldn't give a monkeys. I would of rather of given the £60 to someone that was hungry. Not one thing has changed for me except I have a card that I probably will lose and never replace.
22 Jul 2017, 7:51 pm
Still cannot drive (age 30) although I do know some of the basic skills. Even if I could be trusted to drive safely, I cannot afford a car or insurance for it. Can't even insure myself, let alone a vehicle... 
I walk to work and everything else that I need, reliant on public transit for the longer distances.
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24 Jul 2017, 5:21 pm
KiannaKitter wrote:
drwho222 wrote:
We are a socialist nation. Our taxes are over 50% because we pay to have everyone taken care of, no one who can't provide for themselves gets left behind, we have one of the best healtcare systems and childcare systems in the world too and the best social system....if we didn't have those high taxes and high prizes there would be no money to pay for all that. And I know it sounds crazy to you American's but it kinda works for us. There is a reason we are named the happiest people in the world, helping others feels good. I stand by our system and regret nothing.
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Most Americans, including those who consider themselves "Liberal", would look at this and say you have a system where the Government acts as Mommy and Daddy. The problem we have with Socalism is that we see no reward for individual achievement, nothing to make people strive for better. And its not viewed as true freedom because the government wont let you keep what you have earned. If you tried to impose over 50% taxes on all Americans, you would have armed revolution on your hands inside of a week. My understanding is also that not all Danes like or agree with this system, and see its potential to be used by parasitic people and immigrants from places like Turkey who come over for the goodies but who hate your people and your culture.
Dont get me wrong, I would like more socalism in the USA. But not to the extent it exists in your country. I mean, you pay all that, and the government still wont let you learn to drive? If the taxes are over 50% then drivers education should be provided free of charge for the trouble IMO.
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Most Americans, including those who consider themselves "Liberal", would look at this and say you have a system where the Government acts as Mommy and Daddy. The problem we have with Socalism is that we see no reward for individual achievement, nothing to make people strive for better. And its not viewed as true freedom because the government wont let you keep what you have earned. If you tried to impose over 50% taxes on all Americans, you would have armed revolution on your hands inside of a week. My understanding is also that not all Danes like or agree with this system, and see its potential to be used by parasitic people and immigrants from places like Turkey who come over for the goodies but who hate your people and your culture.
Dont get me wrong, I would like more socalism in the USA. But not to the extent it exists in your country. I mean, you pay all that, and the government still wont let you learn to drive? If the taxes are over 50% then drivers education should be provided free of charge for the trouble IMO.
Of course there are always gonna be some people who are against it. But it works for the majority. We know some people come here to take advantage of us, we are not dumb. But we are keeping an eye on it and are constantly trying to counter-act it. And in regards to the Mommy and Daddy comment, well...some people need that. Some people are sick in one way or the other and can't provide for themselves. Should be just let those people suffer? No. We take care of our people. That is the difference between Danes and Americans....in the US it is every man for himself and people who can't take care of themselves are left on the streets to die. Here people only live on the streets if they want to. I honestly don't know how you live with yourself when you see all the suffering in your country. It makes me sad.
I found this article very interesting: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/michel-kel ... 11652.html
Most interesting parts: 1. Denmark is most certainly a market economy. 2. The socialist system there is, to quote a British journalist, an "unsustainable rickety derelict" 3. and that you have the shortest life expectancy of any European nation outside the former Soviet bloc and the highest rate of cancer.
Also an observation of my own. You are being overrun by Muslim immigrants. These people come to exploit your welfare system, but they hate you and have no intention of becoming good Danish citizens. IMO you need to put white guilt or whatever it is aside and do something about this problem. What they want is the Islamic Republic of Denmark.
24 Jul 2017, 5:36 pm
RetroGamer87 wrote:
drwho222 wrote:
The problem we have with Socalism is that we see no reward for individual achievement, nothing to make people strive for better.
Really both systems have big disadvantages. Capitalism gives more sales either to the company who makes the best product or to the company who makes the worst product best marketing.The drive to offer products at the lowest price can lead companies to squeeze workers. Longer hours, lower wages. Of course if there was a shortage of workers they could bargain for better conditions but there's more often a shortage of jobs than a shortage of workers.
Outsorcing to Foxconn in China is fair game under capitalism.
I'm all for individual achievement, so long as it allows for second chances. I believe the US does allow for second chances but in places like China, they get to sit the college entrance exam only and if they fail, they have to work at Foxconn.
Capitalism can lead to companies trying to protect their market position even when they know their product isn't very useful. Such as the private prison system which is designed to get offenders back into jail fast because the prisons are paid per prisoner per year. This increases the bill to the tax payer. Funny that some politicans would begrudge people a few thousand per year of welfair yet they're happy to pay tens of thousands per year per prisoner. Americans talk about "freedom" a lot yet they have more people behind bars than any other country. So much for "freedom".
Achivement is great but it should be less competative. When you're trying to study more than a guy who's trying to study more than you, it leads to an arms race in which both of you end up studying more than would be nessessary to upskill to the desired job.
I prefere capitalism but it should be regulated. For example, the natural environment is worth trillions of dollars so destroying it to make a mere few billion is like destroying a $20,000 car because you didn't want to pay a small amount for an oil change.
The thing dooming the environment is that capitalism rewards short term gain. Environmental problems might hurt their profits one hundred years from now but in the short term, the most successful companies will be the ones who think about their profits five years from now.
Please don't think I'm trying to hate on your country, there are several things they do better than my country (e.g. the interstate system) and I'd hate to live in a country with a 100% socialist economy.
First of all, Links Awakening is a Retro Game? Damn I am getting old. I've heard that even Halo CE is seen as "retro" these days. To me, retro games are the games of the late 70s to mid 80s. I'm talking Missile Command, Pac Man, Dig Dug, Frogger. I'm talking a big giant Ape who threw barrels at Mario. I'm talking Links FIRST attempt to rescue the Princess and reunite the Triforce. I'm talking big giant quarter driven cabinets giving way to the Atari 2600 and original NES (a highly overrated system IMO with many sh***y games). Ah that geek moment is done.
I agree with most of your criticism of Capitalism, and like I said I want a more Socalist USA. However I'm certainly not in favor of the level of socialism in a country like Denmark or Canada. I also agree with your criticism of the US prison system. Many of those people are in prison because of stupid laws in some states mandating jail time for all drug offences. The judge can not give the offender probation, can not take into account a first offence or the non violent nature of the crime, and in some cases MUST give a year or more of jail time. Its outrageous.
Ouch I never intended this to be a geopolitical debate. I was just curious to see if other Aspies learned to drive late in life like I did.
24 Jul 2017, 6:00 pm
artfulldodger wrote:
I got my permit at 15, mom taught me to drive and I got my license right after I turned 16. With bad asthma, bicycle riding had it limits on how far I could go. Dad taught me to drive a manual transmission a couple years later. In my 30's I got my motorcycle endorsement so I could ride a larger engine maxi-scooter. I tried regular motorcycles but grew quickly tired of the shifting and heat coming off the engine between my legs. A scooter has its engine down low and behind me, no shifting and much quieter. My Honda Elite 250 is just as quick as my wife's 500cc Honda Magna motorcycle. She might be able to go faster on the highway, but I can beat her light to light since she has to shift. If it wasn't for the snow and brutal cold we get in the winter here, I would only own a scooter. To me is the perfect way to get around, easy on gas(65-75mpg), light weight so easy to move around and the solitude while riding is golden! Mike
An Aspie on a motorbike? Very unusual. Most of us hate noise and cant handle them physically.
