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04 Mar 2018, 11:00 pm

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How was I offensive?

I'ts probably just me talking too much with NTs and trolls. When they say that you're saying or thinking something because of your autism, it means an insult.



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05 Mar 2018, 2:38 am

People have always said this to me as well, and I always found it to be rather cruel. It's not like one can really their level of intelligence or the way in which their brain functions, but I have somewhat found a way to combat this. I don't really agree with "dumbing" myself down, or with trying to re-wire my brain, so basically I try and think logically about the situation but also am sure to inform people of a more "emotional" viewpoint. I pretty much try and give objective and subjective points of view to the things I discuss or respond to and that tends to give me the best response. The alternative is essentially saying nothing if I know it's something someone isn't going to be receptive of, but I do tend to have a habit of being rather filterless especially when I'm knowledgable on a certain subject. I don't really know a perfect way to combat this, ideally, I guess I'd just say it's best to study the reactions of the person you're engaging with in conversation and try and adjust if possible?



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05 Mar 2018, 3:24 am

Too bad it's been so long since the movie Amadeus came out. It provided an excellent response to this nonsense, which I used at work once or twice:

"I am exactly as analytical as the situation requires. No more, no less."

(context: Mozart being criticized for using "too many notes". He responded that he used exactly as many notes, etc.)

My other bygone favorite was to tilt my head, peer over my glasses (this looks very different with head tilt vs. without head tilt - gamine vs. schoolteachery, at least at the age I was then) and say, "Hmm. Are you sure that's the problem? Is it possible that others aren't analytical enough?" Then smile dazzlingly and change the subject.

I used that second one on a few dates in my youth, where my escort opined that I "thought too much". That was a showstopper right there, so I didn't much care if my response was off-putting; I was not going to spend any more of my free time with the individual in question.

And so to bed... it's after 3 a.m. where I am, yikes. Good night all.


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05 Mar 2018, 4:45 am

I really don't understand what it means to be "too analytical." How can you think too rationally?


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05 Mar 2018, 5:48 am

Benjamin the Donkey wrote:
I really don't understand what it means to be "too analytical." How can you think too rationally?

One way to look overly analytical would be to pursue research about the ingredients of the ice cream cone melting all over one's hand. I recall an actual case of a velomobile race in which one entry crashed, and was fixed by the crew using duct tape while the designer was still trying to think of the optimal repair. They had to ignore the "boss" to win. There is also a hazard known as "depressive realism." Irrational optimism is actually normal, because a new opportunity usually has to be seized quickly by the discoverers, before everyone has a chance to think it over.



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05 Mar 2018, 6:22 am

Dear_one wrote:
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I really don't understand what it means to be "too analytical." How can you think too rationally?

One way to look overly analytical would be to pursue research about the ingredients of the ice cream cone melting all over one's hand. I recall an actual case of a velomobile race in which one entry crashed, and was fixed by the crew using duct tape while the designer was still trying to think of the optimal repair. They had to ignore the "boss" to win. There is also a hazard known as "depressive realism." Irrational optimism is actually normal, because a new opportunity usually has to be seized quickly by the discoverers, before everyone has a chance to think it over.


Yes, but if one is truly exceptionally analytical, those factors (e.g. urgency) would just become additional variables to be factored in.

For example, "The optimal repair material in this case would be vibranium strips reinforced with kryptonite, however 1) Those materials would take at least a week to ship from Transylvania and 2) Time is a priority. Therefore the optimal solution may be ruled out. So... what is an A) immediately available and B) quick-to-apply adhesive material? Duct tape!"

And I've actually gotten at least one job in the past by adjusting my expectations to account for my own quite pronounced depressive realism. That is, I calculated that it was, in this case, rational to act "irrationally."

My mistakes and failures in life are mainly the result of being insufficiently analytical--when my other AS traits, such as sensory overstimulation or disinclination for social contact, overwhelmed my rational analysis of a situation.


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05 Mar 2018, 6:31 am

Benjamin the Donkey wrote:
Dear_one wrote:
Benjamin the Donkey wrote:
I really don't understand what it means to be "too analytical." How can you think too rationally?

One way to look overly analytical would be to pursue research about the ingredients of the ice cream cone melting all over one's hand. I recall an actual case of a velomobile race in which one entry crashed, and was fixed by the crew using duct tape while the designer was still trying to think of the optimal repair. They had to ignore the "boss" to win. There is also a hazard known as "depressive realism." Irrational optimism is actually normal, because a new opportunity usually has to be seized quickly by the discoverers, before everyone has a chance to think it over.


Yes, but if one is truly exceptionally analytical, those factors (e.g. urgency) would just become additional variables to be factored in.

For example, "The optimal repair material in this case would be vibranium strips reinforced with kryptonite, however 1) Those materials would take at least a week to ship from Transylvania and 2) Time is a priority. Therefore the optimal solution may be ruled out. So... what is an A) immediately available and B) quick-to-apply adhesive material? Duct tape!"

And I've actually gotten at least one job in the past by adjusting my expectations to account for my own quite pronounced depressive realism. That is, I calculated that it was, in this case, rational to act "irrationally."


That's quite impressive. Can you also go to a staff party, not get in trouble, and actually enjoy the fun? I'd spend the rest of the weekend second-guessing whatever I'd said.



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05 Mar 2018, 6:35 am

Dear_one--For a reply, see my last paragraph, edited in before I saw your post.


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05 Mar 2018, 11:36 am

Esmerelda Weatherwax wrote:
Too bad it's been so long since the movie Amadeus came out. It provided an excellent response to this nonsense, which I used at work once or twice:

"I am exactly as analytical as the situation requires. No more, no less."

(context: Mozart being criticized for using "too many notes". He responded that he used exactly as many notes, etc.)

My other bygone favorite was to tilt my head, peer over my glasses (this looks very different with head tilt vs. without head tilt - gamine vs. schoolteachery, at least at the age I was then) and say, "Hmm. Are you sure that's the problem? Is it possible that others aren't analytical enough?" Then smile dazzlingly and change the subject.

I love this :cheers:



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05 Mar 2018, 1:00 pm

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Hey guys. Do any of you have a good response when someone you need to work with asserts that you're too analytical and should think differently than you do? My sponsor in AA implied as much last night and it really bothered me. I can't just switch to a new sponsor because I switch all the time and need to just stick with it. Plus for the most part we get along really well, so I think this is just growing pains. So I'm for sure not looking for people to say "just find someone new."

A little more context:
I'm ambitious and want to become more and more socially adept, so that, when I graduate from my academic program, I can have a fruitful career. This implication that I'm "too analytical" is not new to me. People have said it my whole life. I think it's a good idea for me to develop some good responses when that attitude comes up.

Thanks!

I think people who are analytical are truly blessed.



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05 Mar 2018, 9:19 pm

I have gotten this "too analytical" judgement before as well. I responded by saying that it's how my brain works and I can't not be that way. Then I went silent and looked at them with a pure blank expressionless face. That puts them in the limelight instead of you. Then whatever they reply with just say, "that's interesting" and ignore them. But, you really should accept that you won't be able to effectively communicate or work with someone who cannot tolerate an aspie's analytics. How else is an aspie supposed to attempt to communicate If not analytically??? This sh*t doesn't come natural to us and that's the whole point! I suggest a new sponser or even a new location if this person is just gonna be a douche and make your program that much harder. Anyway that's just my 2 cents, so to speak. :)



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06 Mar 2018, 6:02 pm

My boyfriend is very analytical about games. I almost wonder if he's autistic xD