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11 Apr 2013, 1:45 pm

What's the difference between classic autism and aspergers? How can you tell if someone has one of the two? I suspect I am autistic because I meet all the symptoms. I read that people with aspergers have great language skills. I have terrible language skills and often can't remember the right word to use in a sentence. I have a mild stuttering problem as well. Would you consider me on the classic spectrum or on the aspie side?



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11 Apr 2013, 1:54 pm

When did you say your first communicative words as a kid?

When did you start using communicative sentences.

If your first word was after you turned 2, or your first sentence after you turned three, you're autistic rather than AS.

Not that it really makes a difference, since the DSM-5 is lumping both conditions together. (As they should be, given how much research shows the distinction based on early language is not really that useful. Now, distinction on current language is a lot more valuable.)



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11 Apr 2013, 2:04 pm

Ettina wrote:
When did you say your first communicative words as a kid?

When did you start using communicative sentences.

If your first word was after you turned 2, or your first sentence after you turned three, you're autistic rather than AS.

Not that it really makes a difference, since the DSM-5 is lumping both conditions together. (As they should be, given how much research shows the distinction based on early language is not really that useful. Now, distinction on current language is a lot more valuable.)


I start talking at age 1. I am not sure when I started using communicative sentences. I do know that my current language skills is below average.



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11 Apr 2013, 2:34 pm

Neuropsychologist who tested and diagnosed me said that I have speech and language problems which is why I'm Autistic and not Asperger's. My mom said I talked at a normal age but I think she may not have realized that my speech may have been a little below average. I was a preemie and I think everyone around me (and even me) thought the reason I was behind in things was 'cause of me being a preemie. Now I realize it's 'cause of the Autism.



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11 Apr 2013, 2:35 pm

alakazaam wrote:
Ettina wrote:
When did you say your first communicative words as a kid?

When did you start using communicative sentences.

If your first word was after you turned 2, or your first sentence after you turned three, you're autistic rather than AS.

Not that it really makes a difference, since the DSM-5 is lumping both conditions together. (As they should be, given how much research shows the distinction based on early language is not really that useful. Now, distinction on current language is a lot more valuable.)


I start talking at age 1. I am not sure when I started using communicative sentences. I do know that my current language skills is below average.


Did you ever go thru a period where you stopped speaking?

Some classic autism cases have the kid start talking early, then they lose language and may or may not get it back.


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11 Apr 2013, 2:47 pm

Sethno wrote:
alakazaam wrote:
Ettina wrote:
When did you say your first communicative words as a kid?

When did you start using communicative sentences.

If your first word was after you turned 2, or your first sentence after you turned three, you're autistic rather than AS.

Not that it really makes a difference, since the DSM-5 is lumping both conditions together. (As they should be, given how much research shows the distinction based on early language is not really that useful. Now, distinction on current language is a lot more valuable.)


I start talking at age 1. I am not sure when I started using communicative sentences. I do know that my current language skills is below average.


Did you ever go thru a period where you stopped speaking?

Some classic autism cases have the kid start talking early, then they lose language and may or may not get it back.


I never stopped speaking although I am close to mute because I am a really quiet person. My speech is very disfluenced most of the time when I speak.



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11 Apr 2013, 4:13 pm

Classic autism and aspergers are not comperable beyond the simple common perspective that both disorders are part of the large range autism spectrum. Classic autism is more severe than Aspergers and was the common stereotype of autistic individuals back when autism was first introduced to the mainstream. Most people with Aspergers don't get the proper diagnose until later in life, while someone with classic autism diagnose can be identify as earlier as the age of 3 years.



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11 Apr 2013, 6:41 pm

This is pretty much the definitive answer (it is from the paper that brought AS to light):

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Asperger acknowledged that there were many similarities between his syndrome and Kanner's early infantile autism. Nevertheless, he considered they were different because he regarded autism as a psychotic process, and his own syndrome as a stable personality trait. Since neither psychotic process nor personality trait has been defined empirically, little more can be said about whether they can be distinguished from each other.

Van Krevelen (1971) and Wolff & Barlow (1979) agreed with Asperger that his syndrome should be differentiated from autism. They differ in their accounts of the distinguishing features and the impression gained from their papers is that, although there are some differences, the syndromes are more alike than unalike. The variations could be explained on the basis of the severity of the impairments, though the authors quoted above would not agree with this hypothesis. Thus the autistic child, at least when young, is aloof and indifferent to others, whereas the child with Asperger syndrome is passive or makes inappropriate one-sided approaches. The former is mute or has delayed and abnormal speech, whereas the latter learns to speak with good grammar and vocabulary (though he may, when young, reverse pronouns), but the content of his speech is inappropriate for the social context and he has problems with understanding complex meanings. Non-verbal communication is severely impaired in both conditions. In autism, in the early years, there may be no use of gesture to communicate. In Asperger syndrome there tends to be inappropriate use of gesture to accompany speech. In both conditions, monotonous or peculiar vocal intonation is characteristic. The autistic child develops stereotyped, repetitive routines involving objects or people (for example, arranging toys and household objects in specific abstract patterns, or insisting that everyone in a room should cross the right leg over the left), whereas the person with Asperger syndrome becomes immersed in mathematical abstractions, or amassing facts on his special interests. Abnormal responses to sensory input - including indifference, distress and fascination - are characteristic of early childhood autism and form the basis of the theories of perceptual inconstancy put forward by Ornitz & Ritvo (1968) and of over-selectivity of attention suggested by Lovaas et al (1971). These features are associated with greater severity of handicap, and lower mental age. They are not described as typical of Asperger syndrome, and they are rarely seen in older autistic people with intelligence quotients in the normal range.

The one area in which this type of comparison does not seem to apply is in motor development. Typically, autistic children tend to be good at climbing and balancing when young. Those with Asperger syndrome, on the other hand, are notably il1-co-ordinated in posture, gait and gestures. Even this may not be a particularly useful point of differentiation, since children who have typical autism when young tend to become clumsy in movernent and much less attractive and graceful in appearance by the time of adolescence (see DeMyer, 1976, 1979 for a discussion of motor skills in autism and autistic-like conditions).

Bosch (1962) considered that Asperger syndrome and autism were variants of the same condition. This author pointed out that, although Asperger and Van Krevelen (1971) listed features in the early history which they thought distinguished the two conditions, in practice these did not cluster into two groups often enough to justify the differentiation. The child in Appendix No. 6 illustrates this problem (see also Everard 1980).



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26 Jul 2018, 1:24 pm

autisticyoungadult wrote:
Classic autism and aspergers are not comperable beyond the simple common perspective that both disorders are part of the large range autism spectrum. Classic autism is more severe than Aspergers and was the common stereotype of autistic individuals back when autism was first introduced to the mainstream. Most people with Aspergers don't get the proper diagnose until later in life, while someone with classic autism diagnose can be identify as earlier as the age of 3 years.


Not neccesarily. A person diagnosed with “classic” Autism can be less disabled by their autism than a person with Aspergers, and they might also be more independent and succesfull in adulthood. The line between the two has always been muddy and undefined, and there has always been an extremly large overlap between the two

So much ignorance smh :roll:



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26 Jul 2018, 7:49 pm

necrobump - dead thread - it's okay to take up the topic, but don't imagine it is relevant to the OP any longer. Last post before the necrobump was 2013.


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26 Jul 2018, 11:33 pm

Seba7290 wrote:
autisticyoungadult wrote:
Classic autism and aspergers are not comperable beyond the simple common perspective that both disorders are part of the large range autism spectrum. Classic autism is more severe than Aspergers and was the common stereotype of autistic individuals back when autism was first introduced to the mainstream. Most people with Aspergers don't get the proper diagnose until later in life, while someone with classic autism diagnose can be identify as earlier as the age of 3 years.


Not neccesarily. A person diagnosed with “classic” Autism can be less disabled by their autism than a person with Aspergers, and they might also be more independent and succesfull in adulthood. The line between the two has always been muddy and undefined, and there has always been an extremly large overlap between the two

So much ignorance smh :roll:


Sometimes people associate classic autism with moderate to severe autism, because those who are such often say they have classic autism. Usually when I read someone saying that, I tend to figure they have more pronounced autism like me.



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27 Jul 2018, 2:06 am

BeaArthur wrote:
necrobump - dead thread - it's okay to take up the topic, but don't imagine it is relevant to the OP any longer. Last post before the necrobump was 2013.



I know, but this rustled my jimmies so bad that I felt forced to necrobumb a thread from five years ago.

People stereotyping “classic” autism is one of my biggest triggers (as a person who has it, It’s kinda depressing to read about how people think I will never be able to function in society and stuff)



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27 Jul 2018, 2:43 am

Seba7290 wrote:
BeaArthur wrote:
necrobump - dead thread - it's okay to take up the topic, but don't imagine it is relevant to the OP any longer. Last post before the necrobump was 2013.



I know, but this rustled my jimmies so bad that I felt forced to necrobumb a thread from five years ago.

People stereotyping “classic” autism is one of my biggest triggers (as a person who has it, It’s kinda depressing to read about how people think I will never be able to function in society and stuff)


You are literally replying to a person that is no longer active but IMHO it does not matter because you are not replying to the users personal issue but a topic that unfortunatly is still all too relevant to many active members.

What gets my “jimmies” is either you are thought of as “autistic” thus severly disabled or “Aspie” thus super smart with some social issues. There seems little room for middle ground or that autistics including a number of members of this forum that were severely disabled as children and are now “high functioning”. Yet it is us who described as black and white thinkers.


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27 Jul 2018, 2:53 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Seba7290 wrote:
BeaArthur wrote:
necrobump - dead thread - it's okay to take up the topic, but don't imagine it is relevant to the OP any longer. Last post before the necrobump was 2013.



I know, but this rustled my jimmies so bad that I felt forced to necrobumb a thread from five years ago.

People stereotyping “classic” autism is one of my biggest triggers (as a person who has it, It’s kinda depressing to read about how people think I will never be able to function in society and stuff)


You are literally replying to a person that is no longer active but IMHO it does not matter because you are not replying to the users personal issue but a topic that unfortunatly is still all too relevant to many active members.

What gets my “jimmies” is either you are thought of as “autistic” thus severly disabled or “Aspie” thus super smart with some social issues. There seems little room for middle ground or that autistics including a number of members of this forum that were severely disabled as children and are now “high functioning”. Yet it is us who described as black and white thinkers.


Ikr? A person on another forum said that they would abort a child with autism but not one with Aspergers, because they thought that:

Aspergers= Bill Gates
Autism= Rain man

I sincerely hope that person never becomes a parent. Jesus f*****g Christ, just reading that made me sick.



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27 Jul 2018, 1:59 pm

I was at a one day conference about Autism and A.S. During one of the many workshops one of the speakers with HFA said she thought that having A.S. might be harder because people can be hidden behind their speaking skills and go unnoticed and not be recognised or supported.

I think I find the plotting of my A.S. on the spectrum hard to understand. I tend to see myself as someone who has a concentrated private life but who must sometimes visit another life, which is also mine I suppose, but that is more spread out. The spread out life does have concentrated bits, such as colleges and universities, but these don't last because courses end. I suppose that having more experience of my spread out life has helped me know where the concentrated bits are. But I would say also that I don't have any sort of a plan as to how to do anything with the spread-out-ness. It seems a waste land to me. :roll: So I am in the A.S. region of the spectrum with occasionally good verbal competence within small groups of people who share my interests. Outside of those groups my speech is often confusing to others. My story-writing interests have helped me use typed words better.



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27 Jul 2018, 10:19 pm

The main difference is that if you have classic autism, you would have had a delay in speech and language development as a child. But if you had have Asperger's, your language development would have been normal. And also, a person of any IQ can be diagnosed with autism. Back when Asperger's was still officially a diagnosis, you had to have an IQ that was at least within the average range and couldn't have an intellectual disability.