Does everyone with Asperger's get meltdowns?

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15 Sep 2018, 5:23 pm

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I've never had a "meltdown". My instinct is that the association between autism and "meltdowns" is just an excuse used by parents to dignify the behavioural problems of their children with something respectable sounding. The same is true of ADHD.


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No.

I have a lot of meltdowns, it comes from being extremely overwhelmed. They hurt like hell, and you lose control of yourself.

While I have behavioral issues co morbid, meltdowns are different, and have caused me to run out of control in parking lots nearly being hit by cars, run into windows, hurt myself to the point of bleeding, and lose the ability to speak temporarily.

It's all good that you don't have meltdowns, but don't make such a huge and annoying assumption as, "just an excuse used by parents to dignify the behavioural problems of their children with something respectable sounding"


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15 Sep 2018, 5:32 pm

Sure there'll be some link. But I think doctors are too ready to diagnose simple misbehaviour as being the result of a mental disorder. I certainly don't say that this is always the case, however.



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25 Oct 2018, 4:11 pm

I had some behaviors which might be meltdowns 12.10.2018. I shouted or hit my forehead by hand (palm). One person was somewhat scared because of it. I have such a behaviors since about year or less.



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25 Oct 2018, 7:59 pm

I had plenty of meltdowns between ages 7-15. It was when I slowly became more coherently socially and emotionally aware, and usually happening at school than anywhere else.
It's no coincidence since during those time range, my tolerance for everything had been lower around those times.
Practically rock bottom during puberty to the point that I had more meltdowns at age 14 than age 8 or so. Age 13 was a rude awakening for me.


My last fullblown meltdown was about 9 years ago or so.


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25 Oct 2018, 8:33 pm

I have Aspie friends who don't have meltdowns. I have classic autism and still experience meltdowns/shutdowns fairly frequently. In fact, if it wasn't for me mother being able to calm me down before I reached the point of no return, I would have had a meltdown this evening.


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25 Oct 2018, 8:35 pm

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Sure there'll be some link. But I think doctors are too ready to diagnose simple misbehaviour as being the result of a mental disorder. I certainly don't say that this is always the case, however.


I'm 25 and still experience meltdowns. My brothers are both very well behaved. Do you have any explanation for this?


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25 Oct 2018, 9:48 pm

I've talked to a lot of people with Asperger's both diagnosed and not, who say that they do not have meltdowns. So don't worry, it's definitely not a requirement.

Personally I do (or have) it's a lot better. The most recent was right after moving, I was completely excited about the move and the new city, but the sheer exhaustion, chaos, and general messiness of moving was more than I could tolerate at times. I was more frustrated with myself than anything for not simply being able to enjoy and appreciate the adventure, but unfortunately talking yourself out sensory overload can be like trying to dig out of a hole.



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25 Oct 2018, 10:24 pm

^ Yes, it seems to be very variable; some have melt-downs, some have shut-downs, some a bit of both, some neither.

I tend to shut-down rather than melt-down, either completely, where I just go catatonic, or just partly, so that I lose skills like speech, reading, finding my way around, etc. I have had melt-downs too, but much less so as I've gotten older. Partly, I think that's because it's more often sensory things rather than frustration that triggers them as I've aged, because I manage anxiety better. Also, I can control which happens to some extent. If a melt-down is close and I'm sitting or lying down, and I really concentrate on resisting the urge to lash out and run away, I can make myself shut-down instead. It doesn't always work, and it depends on the circumstances; but as a last resort, it saves me from putting myself in danger, as melt-downs can make me run away, sometimes for miles and across roads etc. before I come to my senses with no idea where I am.


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27 Oct 2018, 1:47 am

I still have them on a somewhat regular basis. See for me, it's hard to distinguish them from my panic attacks, because they often have similar triggers; massive amounts of stress, letting my worrying get out of control, etc. They also both start with a lot of hyperventilation too, so it's even harder to tell. I used to have them as a kid a lot. From around age 8-15 I had them at school on a regular basis. It really reached it's peak during middle school, but I stopped for the most part once I started high school. I'm legit surprised no one diagnosed me back then and it took till I was an adult to get one.


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27 Oct 2018, 5:39 am

Prudolph wrote:
Prometheus18 wrote:
Sure there'll be some link. But I think doctors are too ready to diagnose simple misbehaviour as being the result of a mental disorder. I certainly don't say that this is always the case, however.


I'm 25 and still experience meltdowns. My brothers are both very well behaved. Do you have any explanation for this?

That fact itself proves that meltdowns aren't the result of innate factors, but are behavioural.



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27 Oct 2018, 5:42 am

Personally, I feel very close to the point of experiencing meltdowns when noise/smells/ work pressure get too much, but I always have the self-control to prevent things from getting to that point. Except for when I'm on my own, in which case I will often have angry outbursts, but that's completely normal.



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28 Oct 2018, 7:44 pm

I only had meltdowns if I felt like a failure at everything or if I was about to experience a loss of someone close to me.

I do experience shutdowns if I can't think of the right words to say or if I believe it is wiser not to say anything because I am too angry. The second one isn't really a shutdown at all, just common sense.



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27 Dec 2018, 1:17 pm

I think that I have not shutdowns at all and have never had them.

Today I had three meltdowns(?) during visit with my employer - I hit my head by hand or palm and was somewhat angry.



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27 Dec 2018, 3:27 pm

I would think not

Incidence of any hysterical or tantrum like behavior can be less than a count on one hand.
(I am excluding the interaction between me and abusive X... I think that was just hate and fear no matter mental condition)

Shutdowns.... a lot .


My spectrum kids my daughter was sensitive and colicky right out of the box. But her meltdown incidences mostly were in the keeping of her age group.
My middle son is mellow like me and also has long shutdowns
My non-verbal youngest had a lot of meltdowns after he lost speech at age 3+ and did not get complete balance til about age 10.


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27 Dec 2018, 3:29 pm

^^^That's the worst...when a kid gets speech, then loses it.

This sort of thing is actually rather common in autism. I've been reading case studies of this since I was a little kid.



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29 Dec 2018, 4:01 pm

I do not know if my head-hitting was a sort of meltdown or not. I have such a symptoms since about a year, I had not these behaviors when I was about 20 years old or younger. I am very poor in occupational area, maybe it is associated with larger risk of meltdowns due to problems associated with job.