What do you think it takes to be happy?

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18 Dec 2018, 3:47 pm

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Many years ago I worked for a while on a Crisis Hotline. Over the years I talked with about 4,000 people regarding almost every possible problem you could imagine including about 400 who were attempting suicide at the time.

After that rather educational experience, I attempted to put in writing some thoughts that might be of use to those encountering various life problems. I intended to avoid mentioning anything about Christianity as that doing so often triggers hostility.

The difficulty I found was that I could describe various problem resolution strategies that would bring a person to a trouble free life that might be described as boredom. However, there was no way to get past this realm into happiness without touching on the subject of selflessness. The bible defines love (1 Cor 13:4-7) pretty much as selflessness.

It is interesting because one can observe many people stuck in a sort of cycle of selfishness, trouble, resolution, boredom, and then selfishness again.

We get a glimpse of escaping this realm with parenthood in which we can see emerging both the drawing out of some selfless love as well as the end of some adolescent selfishness. It has been said that the cure for the disease of adolescence is parenthood where the selfishness of the child requires the parent to relinquish some of his.

It is difficult to go too far into the realm of selflessness and love without a religious basis as many can see no reason to forgo selfish pleasures and see those who do as chumps.

There are many people who are content, satisfied, and fulfilled living only for themselves. However, I would suggest that real happiness is less taking in and more giving out.


You mean being of service, helping others?
The problem there though is that it requires interacting with people and understanding what their needs are, the one major hurdle for most of us on this forum.


Every individual possesses at least one strength that will be of benefit in service to other people...even if they find it impossible to understand others' needs/ weaknesses that they might help out with.

It's extremely likely, almost impossible to be likely to be untrue to the point of near infinity, that every single person born into the world has at least one super-strength relative to the remainder of the population which, if they can identify it and find an outlet in the external world of the other earthling's located within their physical vicinity: they will be able to be of tremendous benefit to others as they leverage that particular strength or set of strengths.

Even in the one in a million or whatever case where someone is born deaf, dumb, blind literally and metaphorically (e.g. without the ability to decipher the needs of others and cater to that need via some given, innate strength): that individual will, at a minimum, serve as the target of service from others (therefore, ironically, by being the recipient of service themselves, is actually giving the opportunity for others to give service).

Perhaps the best place to start with, in terms of love/ service is loving oneself and serving oneself. Might be thought of as selfish...but one has to start somewhere.



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18 Dec 2018, 3:50 pm

timf wrote:
Many years ago I worked for a while on a Crisis Hotline. Over the years I talked with about 4,000 people regarding almost every possible problem you could imagine including about 400 who were attempting suicide at the time.

After that rather educational experience, I attempted to put in writing some thoughts that might be of use to those encountering various life problems. I intended to avoid mentioning anything about Christianity as that doing so often triggers hostility.

The difficulty I found was that I could describe various problem resolution strategies that would bring a person to a trouble free life that might be described as boredom. However, there was no way to get past this realm into happiness without touching on the subject of selflessness. The bible defines love (1 Cor 13:4-7) pretty much as selflessness.

It is interesting because one can observe many people stuck in a sort of cycle of selfishness, trouble, resolution, boredom, and then selfishness again.

We get a glimpse of escaping this realm with parenthood in which we can see emerging both the drawing out of some selfless love as well as the end of some adolescent selfishness. It has been said that the cure for the disease of adolescence is parenthood where the selfishness of the child requires the parent to relinquish some of his.

It is difficult to go too far into the realm of selflessness and love without a religious basis as many can see no reason to forgo selfish pleasures and see those who do as chumps.

There are many people who are content, satisfied, and fulfilled living only for themselves. However, I would suggest that real happiness is less taking in and more giving out.


I think this is one of the best, most humane and sensible posts I've read on this forum, although I disagree with the penultimate paragraph. Please tell me/us more about your experiences.



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18 Dec 2018, 8:01 pm

I think the Rat_Park(look it up on Wikipedia) tell you the basics of being happiness.

timf wrote:
The difficulty I found was that I could describe various problem resolution strategies that would bring a person to a trouble free life that might be described as boredom. However, there was no way to get past this realm into happiness without touching on the subject of selflessness. The bible defines love (1 Cor 13:4-7) pretty much as selflessness.

Now we get to the more advance topics of happiness.
The Wholly Marines have a thing called 'Seva' which is a service which is performed without any expectation of result or award for performing it.

This is the key to Imago Relationship Therapy as explained in Harville Hendrix's Getting the Love You Want: A Guide for Couples

If you do some deed that doesn't benefit you in order for some result you end up like George R. Price

timf wrote:
It has been said that the cure for the disease of adolescence is parenthood where the selfishness of the child requires the parent to relinquish some of his.

I know that you don't make the distinction between children and young adults so won't understand my displeasure with your calling a young adult a child but non-autistic children are eager to please people, adult are still willing to please their in group if it doesn't inconvenience them is asked.
Quote:
"the savages don't know money, t heir needs are very
limited, and they ask only for shotguns, ammunition, axes. machetes, mirrors, and occasionally hammocks." An Indian he described as a corpulent
and ugly savage declined to accept anything. On being pressed he replied,
"I don't want anything. I've got everything."
The whites insisted again that he must ask for something. Finally he
retorted, "I want a black dog!"
"And where am I going to find a black dog or even a white one if there
aren't any in all of Putumayo?" asked the rubber station manager.
"You ask me for rubber," replied the savage, "and I bring rubber. If I ask
for a black dog you have to give me one ."


Which brings up another point, as shown in the Fraggle Rock episode "The Preachification of Convincing John" doing what you think will benefit others doesn't work ether.


timf wrote:
It is difficult to go too far into the realm of selflessness and love without a religious basis as many can see no reason to forgo selfish pleasures and see those who do as chumps.

It's easy to get into the realm of selflessness without a religious basis, it just hard to stay there without getting one.

Which is a little strange as it's no more mystical than economics, money only has value if you don't ask what's is worth, I guess greed is just more profane than love.

You don't need religion, as defined by F.Max Muller in Natural Religion, but Spirituality as defined by Sam Harris in Waking Up. And then there is always scientists since you know it actually works there is evidence for it.

timf wrote:
There are many people who are content, satisfied, and fulfilled living only for themselves. However, I would suggest that real happiness is less taking in and more giving out.
You have a pretty perverse idea of 'Fulfilled living' is you think that it is common. But then again you belong to the group that believe that the savages where better off spending 90% of the waking life on base survival and just one day a week on spiritual matters than 4 hours a day on base survival and most of their time on spiritual betterment.


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19 Dec 2018, 12:14 am

A positive attitude really helps with my happiness. Another thing is not giving a rats ass about what people think about my unusual clothes or head wear.


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19 Dec 2018, 5:17 am

For me it's having a girlfriend that I'm living with instead of being trapped with my parents. Having her in a good mood is also kinda required too. Another thing that makes me happy is having lower standards.


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19 Dec 2018, 8:13 am

Not having much expectations and being self-sufficient!



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19 Dec 2018, 9:53 am

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19 Dec 2018, 9:59 am

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It is hard to help others if every time you interact with others, you get not so subtle hints that you need to change who you are.

I always need to change who I am. I have a marked tendency to assholery, which is sometimes quite overwhelming.

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20 Dec 2018, 3:00 am

Healthy cynicism, optimism, and healthy challenges. Reaching consensus, and friendships with like minded people.



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20 Dec 2018, 5:50 am

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What do think is required to be happy? What does it take to be content?


In general, accepting reality. You don't choose your gifts, but can choose to develop them. Accept loss.

We are responsible for ourselves, but so much of ourselves and our lives is beyond our control. Fighting reality and what you really are will make you miserable.



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20 Dec 2018, 5:58 am

For me it means being content with my life as it is. Having a que sara sera attitude.
And knowing that while I have some significant disabilities things could be a lot worse. Enjoying what I do have and can do opposed to being unhappy over what I don't have and can't do.



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21 Dec 2018, 3:14 am

In a word: Gratitude.