Have any of you been to Indian reservations?

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02 Feb 2019, 5:04 pm

I've been to a few reservations but I wasn't treated any different than anyone else. But of course, no one knew I was autistic, so there's that.



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02 Feb 2019, 5:19 pm

Yes, in Canada, I read "First Nations" and hear it on the news, but the residents still get called Indians or worse. There's a rez just up the road from here, and several more around. I have a few friends who live there, and others who can't stand the rowdiness for their kids.
I was out one night trying to photograph the midnight glow on the summer solstice, and got my car stuck in the mud on a reservation, because the signs said not to use the detour. I got my pictures from there OK, and about 1 AM, a pickup truck came along, and came to see why there was a car in the mud. A young, sober-living guy had been taking his aunt and uncle to the bootleggers. They tried to push me out, and then drove me around to find a rope, waking people up. The rope didn't work with his truck, but I was able to use it at dawn to improvise a wheel winch and get out.
I don't know any AS folk on the rez, but overall, I find that natives treat me more like an individual than the settlers do, with much less prejudice.
You can't generalize about reservations, though, any more than you can about other nations. Politically, they are like Bantustans, landlocked and rather powerless. They still play authentic, live, stone-age music for celebrations, which sounds to me like it was intended to demoralize the wolves, with a few asides for the birds as well. The feathers in the costumes tend to be day-glo now, though.
"Indian Time" is notorious for making natives incompatible with industrial work situations. We settlers have had ten millennia as farmers, who can plan our whole year's work out with only minor variances for the weather. A hunter, OTOH, knows what is in season, but he has to get up every morning with no plans except to follow a keen sense of where to seek opportunity.



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02 Feb 2019, 6:55 pm

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But that is what they are actually called now. Indians are just people who are from India so it just causes confusion to call Native Americans Indians because are we talking about Natives or ones from India?

Reason why we were calling them Indians was because when our land got discovered, Christopher Columbus thought he was in India.


In Germany people from India are called 'Inder' in opposite to the American Indians who are called 'Indianer' here because of Christopher Columbus. For this there is a difference here an no chance to be mistaken. How about adopting 'indianer' once you miss an unambiguous word only? :mrgreen:


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02 Feb 2019, 7:00 pm

I've never been to one but I had a teacher whose parents were native americans and they brought some handcrafted things to school one time to show us. It was really cool.

I wish I remember what tribe he and parents belonged to but that was many years ago.



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02 Feb 2019, 7:16 pm

I've never been to a reservation myself, but my cousin is in the rcmp and has been posted on two.
I don't know about their attitudes towards autism specifically, but my cousin says the people who live there are decent enough people when they're not drunk or on drugs.


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02 Feb 2019, 8:11 pm

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I've never been to a reservation myself, but my cousin is in the rcmp and has been posted on two.
I don't know about their attitudes towards autism specifically, but my cousin says the people who live there are decent enough people when they're not drunk or on drugs.


Tell your cousin that the last time I called the RCMP, I got the mayor to suggest it first. The time before, I called 911 about a crime in progress, but because I was upset and acting AS-odd, I was the one who got in trouble. I had to leave for exile a thousand miles away.



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02 Feb 2019, 9:33 pm

First Nations is actually Six Nations.

You can use the term Aboriginal if you're not sure, though Native is sometimes acceptable and some don't complain if you use Indian. Whenever you can use their name, they like that.

I'm near Six Nations and will travel in and out every now and then. Alcohol abuse is an issue, but I'm not aware of any prevalence of Autism any different than non-Aboriginal, but then I've not really paid that much attention.


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02 Feb 2019, 9:43 pm

My husband knows an Indian in Canada, on tribal lands. He has an adult autistic son who is just part of the family. Nonverbal, but physically ok and helps with the family business.


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03 Feb 2019, 3:00 pm

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I don't need a reservation, i just go to the restaurant and eat curry :D


(<-cherokee blood quantum) HEY I like Indian food too!
Such a coincidence!

Though seriously Both in Cherokee and Ardmore I did not notice a prevalence of Autism in my cousins families at all unlike my maternal family which is getting higher each generation


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03 Feb 2019, 10:43 pm

Dear_one wrote:
Sensei Processor wrote:
I've never been to a reservation myself, but my cousin is in the rcmp and has been posted on two.
I don't know about their attitudes towards autism specifically, but my cousin says the people who live there are decent enough people when they're not drunk or on drugs.


Tell your cousin that the last time I called the RCMP, I got the mayor to suggest it first. The time before, I called 911 about a crime in progress, but because I was upset and acting AS-odd, I was the one who got in trouble. I had to leave for exile a thousand miles away.


You want me to tell her that the rcmp should work on training its officers in dealings with people on the spectrum? I agree that is a very important thing to address.
On the individual level my cousin has had lots of exposure to neurodiverse people, so I think she would handle such a situation quite well.


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03 Feb 2019, 11:27 pm

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You want me to tell her that the rcmp should work on training its officers in dealings with people on the spectrum? I agree that is a very important thing to address.
On the individual level my cousin has had lots of exposure to neurodiverse people, so I think she would handle such a situation quite well.


Well, perhaps you can encourage her to spread the word, and intervene when others get it wrong when possible. Several years ago, there was a movement called the Re-Seargeance Alliance, by young RCMP members who had become ashamed of the corruption higher up. It vanished.
I once went to a big symposium on crime, and waited until the Police reps had left during Q&A, but about eight experts remained. I then asked what my odds were of calling 911 and getting a non-corrupt constable. They all refused to take a guess, even in private conversation later.

There was a scandal a few years ago about Police in Winnipeg leaving drunk Indians to die of exposure. Natives are vastly over-represented in our jails. We had a recent big push to have better investigations of missing native women and girls, but even more males disappear. A local rancher got away with murder in court last year.
David Orchard, often heard calling in on CBC, was once involved in a protest in Northern Saskatchewan, and was arrested with a busload of native men. The others fully expected, from experience, to receive severe, illegal beatings, but having a white witness saved them.



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03 Feb 2019, 11:41 pm

fifasy wrote:
What are they like?

I'm curious.

Is there any evidence of Autistic people being treated differently among Indians?


From what little I know of plains Indians like the Cheyenne of the 19th century, autistic people would probably be regarded as "touched" but in a positive way.

I've been all over the Paiute Moappa reservation in Nevada and the Tulalip reservation in Washington plenty of times. Pretty much the same as anywhere else. I didn't feel treated any differently.



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05 Feb 2019, 7:44 am

quite an extreme wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
But that is what they are actually called now. Indians are just people who are from India so it just causes confusion to call Native Americans Indians because are we talking about Natives or ones from India?

Reason why we were calling them Indians was because when our land got discovered, Christopher Columbus thought he was in India.


In Germany people from India are called 'Inder' in opposite to the American Indians who are called 'Indianer' here because of Christopher Columbus. For this there is a difference here an no chance to be mistaken. How about adopting 'indianer' once you miss an unambiguous word only? :mrgreen:


Interesting.

I believe among New World Spanish-speakers, a new distinction is being made: indio for indigenous North and South Americans as opposed to indiano for Indians from India.

I also know that in the USA, among some English-speaking natives, the term Native American is sometimes NOT preferred. The idea being that "American" is just as much a term forced upon them by the white man as Indian. They'd rather be called Indian than be associated with the government that, well, you know...