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Fos11
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22 Apr 2019, 3:45 am

Obesity is never attractive, im sorry. And most neckbeards are obese.



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22 Apr 2019, 4:01 am

I've been around large number of autistics in school, ages 6 to 18. They were the same mixed bunch as one would see among NT's. Even those with severe autism.



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22 Apr 2019, 4:02 am

I'm being literal.

Some autistic guys find shaving hard.

Also, societal trends are societal trends. Obesity is objectively unhealthy. It isn't objectively unattractive - it's seen that way by our society but there are other societies where it might be seen as attractive. Even in this one, 'chubby chasers' exist.

It's changing to an extent as well. When I was growing up, seeing bones was 'in' (also unhealthy). Nowadays, it seems like slightly slimmer than average but not an extreme is what's 'in'. In women, it's all about big butts nowadays, it used to all be about little butts when I was a teenager.

Also I'm female and underweight. Yes, I have problems with shaving but being European and female, I don't really get much blowback from that. Especially because I wear long trousers most of the time so people don't even see my legs.

If everyone was on a desert island, nobody would shave. What I'm saying is, it's societal trends which autistic people struggle to follow rather than some sort of inherent unattractiveness.



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22 Apr 2019, 4:11 am

Well im male and dont need to shave my body hair, because i dont have much anyway.



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22 Apr 2019, 4:37 am

there is no corelation between "attractiveness" and autism/aspergers. Maybe people with ADHD are more prone to eat more than they should I do'n know I base that on one person I know although it's not really a case of stuffing her face she can't cook so just buys take aways.

I have friends with aspergers and some are very attractive.



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22 Apr 2019, 4:43 am

Fos11 wrote:
Well im male and dont need to shave my body hair, because i dont have much anyway.


It's socially acceptable in males to an extent anyway. And in Europe, it's socially acceptable in everyone.

In America it's different - I've known women online who are blonde (therefore their body hair is basically invisible) and who shave everything. I don't think an autistic woman would do that.

It's a bit of an age thing, too. A bloke of 30 would have facial hair and body hair or would be shaving.

When it comes to weight, I think a lot of autistic people are actually underweight rather than overweight because we don't have many foods we like to eat. Generally we're short too, which I think is because that thing about food is true from a young age so some autistic kids don't grow as much as they naturally would if they were eating healthy amounts.



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22 Apr 2019, 4:47 am

My weight is normal and my heigth is average. Do you think autistic men are more feminine or less feminine and more masculine than the average?



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22 Apr 2019, 5:06 am

Like with non-autistic males it's a mixed bag. I've known some were macho, masculine, athletic etc along with those who were akward, shy, frail etc.

I'm pretty masculine I suppose. I'm a misomorph so I'm very toned and have a lot of strength, have deep voice and a full beard. I'm not much into sports, but I like rugged outdoors stuff like hinking, fishing, target shooting etc.



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22 Apr 2019, 5:47 am

There are many pictures on this Site.

You will see the variety found in Aspergers/autism in those pictures. You have 6 foot 3, 250 lb autistics You have 5 foot 1, 90 lb autistics.

I’m a short, husky man who has sandy hair when I was younger. 5 foot 5, 180 lbs at present.



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22 Apr 2019, 6:35 am

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This.

There are several threads where people post pictures of themselves - you can find objective data in there, not just speculation. There's just as much variety as anywhere in terms of height, weight, conventional or not attractiveness. I've definitely seen some gorgeous pics there.

I don't buy the obesity thing either. Both myself and my son are thin and athletic and so are a lot of other members of this site. Being a shut-in is not the rule either.


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22 Apr 2019, 6:40 am

I was also thinking about selfies that have been posted here.

Also I remember a thread tilted 'do you live to eat or eat to live?'. Quite a few said they only eat to live and even have to be reminded to eat.



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22 Apr 2019, 7:33 am

TUF wrote:
Women without makeup and men with neckbeards are looked at as 'unattractive' in our society. Let alone people who struggle to have regular baths etc (and the stress really is put onto 'showers' which can be hard because of sensory issues. Look, if you bathe regularly you're as hygienic as anyone else so don't worry about it). Our society is very superficial about this stuff and autistic people struggle to keep up with it.


But not wearing make up isn't comparable to not washing up regularly. No one gets hurt if a woman doesn't wear make up, in fact it's better for the skin to not use too much chemicals, but not washing up regularly is a safety issue not only to the person not doing so but also the people around him/her because too unhygienic people are likelier to carry around unsafe bacteria. It's logical to avoid people who seem to be or are bad at taking care of personal hygiene because they're more likely to get you infected with something.

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It's socially acceptable in males to an extent anyway. And in Europe, it's socially acceptable in everyone.


Depends where in Europe we're talking about; women do get long looks for having too much hair in certain places in Europe (I know 'cause I live here.)

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It's changing to an extent as well. When I was growing up, seeing bones was 'in' (also unhealthy). Nowadays, it seems like slightly slimmer than average but not an extreme is what's 'in'. In women, it's all about big butts nowadays, it used to all be about little butts when I was a teenager.


I should have an advantage then... or does the fact that I'm not "slightly slimmer than average" cancel it out? :lol:



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22 Apr 2019, 8:37 am

Fos11 wrote:
Obesity is never attractive, im sorry. And most neckbeards are obese.

Body shaming! Reported.


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22 Apr 2019, 8:42 am

I've known some pretty dynamic, very sexy obese women. It's not healthy to be obese----true.

Mama Cass was quite an obese person---but she had men lining up for her. Even Oprah Winfrey. She made over a billion dollars---and her weight fluctuates greatly, sometimes going up to the obese category.

I bet John Candy, over 300 lbs, got plenty of women. I've seen some pretty obese people hook up with "regular-weight" people.

Obesity doesn't preclude attractiveness. You can be mighty good-looking when you're obese.

If you don't want to be a "neckbeard," just shave underneath your chin.



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22 Apr 2019, 8:57 am

It's not healthy to be either extreme.

Probably not psychologically healthy to stress too much about being one or the other, either.

Yeah regularly cleaning is important and important for health, just some people struggle with it and one of the reasons people can struggle with it is autism.

What I do these days is just do it when I need to - which I think is the way an NT would. What I used to do when I was more routine bound was actually build it into my routine. But some people, if they're very routine based and forget to put need for hygiene in there, can end up unhealthy and unhygienic and yes that's unattractive.

I'd say a man not shaving regularly is the same as a woman not wearing makeup though. It's considered unattractive but it doesn't really harm anyone. Until my stepdad started listening to mum's nagging, he had like one of those hippy beards. Washed it regularly but didn't shave it. He still has a lot of body hair. He's perfectly hygienic, he's just unfashionable.



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22 Apr 2019, 9:04 am

I don't shave my body hair at all.

I like it better when a woman shaves her legs, though I wouldn't ask my romantic partner to-----but not shaving anywhere else is fine with me.

I find, in general, that there's too much shaving going on. Though I don't believe it's harmful or anything.



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