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Graelwyn
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25 Jul 2007, 8:19 am

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Hmm. My problem is more a matter of learning self-control, and not flailing around or spazzing all over. I'm loud, too, so I have to practice constant vigilance so other people don't start asking me why I'm shouting...

I have recently learned 'hugging' and found it strange, but useful. I'm a pretty forceful person, for the most part, so I may decide to initiate it and be damned to the other person's comfort level. ;) It's worked out so far--no one has freaked out at me and shoved me away, but I only ever do it with people I've known for a while and who I know will at least tolerate it.

It takes practice and a certain willingness to make yourself look stupid, if that's what it takes. Part of getting on in social situations is realizing that being embarrassed or making a mistake is not necessarily as terrible as it may seem. It's hard to get over one's own fears and sometimes a real faux pas can be a kick in the teeth, but you can't make an omelet without breaking...well, you know the rest.

Body language and behaviors require a certain amount of comfort in your own body, and a knowledge of what physical actions are performed by other people. You can catalogue these and cross-reference them for later use, and over time (maybe a looong time) build up a repertoire that you can use.


But how do you KNOW when to hug someone?
I mean do you just barge forwards and put your arms around them or what?
that is my main issue... It comes to saying goodbye to a friend and I sort of stand there awkwardly or step away even if I sense a hug might have been the proper way to part, lol.

It seems to come so naturally to my friend. He just does it.



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25 Jul 2007, 8:21 am

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Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

I'm female and the trouble with being socially passive is (well for me) my women friends were all socially aggressive dominating people, they formed the relationship, they called me which made it easy for me but it ended up being a problem, in that they have all the 'power', they keep the relationship going or not. you can easily end up being used.

Boyfriends were different however, in my experience (i'm sure it varies) women are expected to take the initiative in romantic/sexual relationships, so i had no alternative but to try. i would never claim to be good at it, i mostly succeeded with the quiet/sensitive guys who don't need THAT much encouragement or chasing, they're happy that you've approached them, however 'poor' you may feel your approach was.


I can tell you that historically with british, west european, australian, american cultures, and many others, like some eastern european, the WOMAN decides how it is to proceed, and often makes the first move. Unfortunately, that first move was historically not supposed to have been very obvious. So the way it USED to often work was that the male might make suggestive comments, the female would respond, the male would respond, and everything would be fine. TODAY it is much the same, but the female might make a first subtle move.

Steve


What is a subtle move lol?
I dont even know when someone is flirting or how one flirts.
In the end, I just look away if a male looks at me or escape if one tries to talk to me generally.



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25 Jul 2007, 8:39 am

Graelwyn wrote:
Is this how it is for you?

Unsure of how to initiate anything physical, such as hugging, even if you need a hug or want to take the initiative?
Terrified of giving off the wrong signals and misleading people?
Unsure of boundaries in friendships and what friendship actually means?
Totally clueless when it comes to cues?

I only realised this weekend past, how socially inept I am, when I went to a music bar with a friend and didn't know whether to sit or stand or when to talk or where to look etc.
And when I wanted a hug, but couldn't say anything and certainly couldn't initiate it and was worrying about how long you should stay in a hug before it is too long, lol.

It is a nightmare.

Yep, that's how I've felt all my life. For some reason being at a bar/club makes me feel the worst. I don't think there's any way that I'd feel comfortable in those places, no matter how much I practiced, or tried. I feel like a fish out of water, then I get worried that other people are noticing just how socially inept that I am.



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25 Jul 2007, 11:13 am

You wouldn't catch me in a bar. I went a few times in my past and the only thing that helped was having a drink in my hand (I don't drink normally) and I'd take a sip if I had an awkward pause moment.

I also don't hug people - I think I got my first hug at age 18 or so. I didn't like it. I've hugged a total of three people. I will say that I love physical affection with my S.O., but he's the only one.

I've also NEVER made the first physical move on a guy and still never had problems getting their attention. I would try to make a game of it almost. I would notice interest, but I wasn't sure if I was reading into it too much or if it was genuine. And it took a lot to get me interested in a guy, so usually it was some random guy who would talk to me. I have no respect for 99% of the people in the dating scene so I considered them fair game. So I would kind of string it out and see if I could get him to make a first move, then if he did, I would lose interest and leave. I know that sounds horrible and cruel, but I think it was genuinely because I'm terrible at social cues that I made a game of it, almost like an experiment. And I didn't do that to "nice guys" - whatever that meant to me at the time.