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31 Jul 2019, 8:06 am

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So you propose we wait until 3 years of age?

That would not work. Kids under 3 pass along and acquire diseases at a rabid rate.


No, im saying lets be THOUGHTFUL. If numerous people are saying "directly after injecting my child with these substances, their behavior has changed dramatically" (and there are MANY cases of this) that we must ADMIT that SOMETHING in the vaccine COULD. COULD. COULD. be causing a problem. Not absolutely IS causing a problem. Could be causing a problem. And no im not calling autism a problem. Im saying if we are seeing evidence that vaccines COULD be altering our children in some way, we should be paying attention to that. NOT lying to people and saying "its totes safe, dude!" Admit that there could be risks. Thats all.



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31 Jul 2019, 8:07 am

We’re vaccinating kids because don’t want to deal with the pandemics of the past.

We want to prevent premature death.



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31 Jul 2019, 8:11 am

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We’re vaccinating kids because don’t want to deal with the pandemics of the past.

We want to prevent premature death.


Im not saying dont vaccinate. We dont want polio or something like that again. I understand the benefits of vaccination. Im saying, lets not lie to people and say that we KNOW that vaccines are one in a million chance safe. Lets tell people that nothing is certain, we are doing our absolute best, these are the odds RIGHT NOW, and lets also look at these weird cases where babies suddenly get sick after being vaccinated. If we truly care for our babies, we would see these things are not coincidences. Lets tell people that we DONT KNOW, but that they seem safe. Because right now, people are choosing not to vaccinate at all because scientists insist on telling people that vaccines are pretty much 100 percent safe. they are scaring the crap out of people and ignoring the babies that are getting sick. They wont admit that the babies COULD. COULD. be getting sick from the vaccines.



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31 Jul 2019, 8:14 am

I believe that if you just told people "we are not 100 percent sure, noone is." This would end the fear that the anti vaxxers have, and everyone would vaccinate their children. It wouldnt fix any illness that MIGHT. MIGHT. be caused by vaccines, but at least then, everyone would vaccinate their kids. Know what im saying? The lying is what is causing the FEAR that makes people not vaccinate.



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31 Jul 2019, 8:16 am

im saying, people are unable to truthfully evaluate what risks there MIGHT be, because of their fear. Tell them the truth, and let them say "this doesnt seem that dangerous to me, there may be risks, but overall, it seems safe." and then people will vaccinate their kids. :heart:



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31 Jul 2019, 8:18 am

That wouldn’t have much impact on the anti-vaxxers.

Some of their stance stems from a fear of government intruding on their rights. “Forced” vaccination is a symbol of that.



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31 Jul 2019, 8:20 am

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That wouldn’t have much impact on the anti-vaxxers.

Some of their stance stems from a fear of government intruding on their rights. “Forced” vaccination is a symbol of that.



But their fear of government intruding on their rights and that government thinks that they know best is being ENHANCED by the fact that scientists OPENLY ignore the babies that seemingly get autism right after a certain vaccine. Because they are IGNORING these occurrences, this is what enhances peoples fear. My belief is, if scientists would acknowledge this, these babies that get sick, everyone would get vaccinations, including the anti vaxxers. They would look at the odds, and maybe just space out vaccines a little bit. Thats all.



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31 Jul 2019, 8:25 am

And by the way, the government pays off people whos kids got sick from a vaccine every year. Dont believe me, look it up. So thats admitting it right there. The problem is, they dont admit it to the general PUBLIC. they only admit it to the parents whos kids got autism, or something else, from a vaccine. The government lists it as "illness caused by vaccine" and then pays the parents off. Im just saying, if scientists would tell people "this is the amount of babies that get ill seemingly from vaccines. Chances are high that your kid will be FINE. But lets space out our vaccine schedule just a little bit to lower these occurrences" then I believe that everyone would be able to logically draw their own conclusions, without fear, and they would all get vaccinations.



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31 Jul 2019, 8:27 am

im gonna go watch the democratic debate and do some other stuff great talking with u guys :heart:



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31 Jul 2019, 8:32 am

jngyslate wrote:
I believe that if you just told people "we are not 100 percent sure, noone is." This would end the fear that the anti vaxxers have, and everyone would vaccinate their children. It wouldnt fix any illness that MIGHT. MIGHT. be caused by vaccines, but at least then, everyone would vaccinate their kids. Know what im saying? The lying is what is causing the FEAR that makes people not vaccinate.

I completely disagree. This is an era of distrust of authority and widespread belief that these authorities are engaged in nefarious conspiracies. The “admission” of risk would be viewed as a public relations stunt to try and hide the poisoning children for profit plot they are believed to be engaged in.


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31 Jul 2019, 8:39 am

I wonder if vaccinations are needed before four months of age.

There are a few that are given at one and two months of age--There's probably a reason for this; I'll have to research that.

Kids younger than 4 months have enhanced immunity from the mother, still.



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31 Jul 2019, 8:57 am

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There certainly WERE autistic people 50, 100, or more years ago.

50 years ago, many who would be Aspergian or “high-functioning” today (yes, there were many) would have been diagnosed with “minimal brain dysfunction,” “childhood schizophrenia,” or worse. Many were institutionalized. I was one of the lucky ones.

If vaccines caused autism, there would have been an “epidemic” of autism in the 50s and 60s, when vaccinations increases greatly.


I agree. I've also read the research about what would have happened to us back than. I also think that there have always been autistic people in the world since the beginning of man.


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31 Jul 2019, 9:05 am

If vaccines caused autism, than everybody in my family would be autistic. If vaccines caused autism, everybody in the world would be autistic.


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31 Jul 2019, 9:17 am

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Are antivaxxers even allowed on WP? I'd hope not.
Well, jngyslate hasn't been banned yet, so...
The key word there is 'Yet'.


I wonder how soon yet will come.


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31 Jul 2019, 9:30 am

Andrew Wakefield has a lot of blood on his hands. It seems that the British experts want to harm us and the German experts want to help us. Why is that?


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31 Jul 2019, 11:21 am

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Could vaccines cause other neurological disorders too, like ADHD or intellectual learning disabilities?

I think the MMR gave me my AS, and my brother's AS too. :(
My mum said that both me and my brother had fevers straight after our MMR jabs. My brother got a terrible ear infection with his fever, and he was more unwell than the other children that had their vaccines at the same time. When I had mine, I came down with a fever too, and my personality changed rather noticeably. I went from being a rather placid toddler, to a very grizzly toddler that seemed sensitive to everything and was suddenly more hyperactive than I was before. It's not what the actual personality traits are that's peculiar, but it's the sudden change of personality traits right after the vaccine that is peculiar, especially that they didn't go away and it was the child I had become. So is it coincidence that my personality abruptly altered when I had the MMR vaccine? My mum reckons I wasn't the same after that.

So that is living proof that the MMR vaccine can cause autism. I'm not saying it's the ONLY cause, as autism existed long before the vaccines. But I think it is one of many causes. Or maybe me and my brother were both born NTs but carried some sort of gene that made our brains more vulnerable to slight damage if vaccinated or whatever, and so that gave us AS. I don't know.

In the later 90s when I found out about vaccines and autism, it gave me a phobia of having any more vaccines in case I became more autistic.



There is often a fever after vaccination, it is a usual reaction as our antibodies begin to overcome the pathogens that have been injected. That is the whole point of vaccinations, to create a resistance. The vaccine is a weakened version of the disease that promotes an immunity to the injected disease.
I sometimes get flu after my flu vaccination, but not too serious. The place of injection swells and becomes painful and there is a general feeling of malaise.
I don't know if there is a correlation between vaccinations and autism. My son has refused to vaccinate his children, but he has not witnessed the devastation of disease such as polio, diptheria, smallpox and tuberculosis that are now more or less found only in the third world due to early vaccinations, and took a heavy toll up to the 1960's.


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