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05 Feb 2019, 8:21 pm

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How would one account for the folks with autism who have to wear helmets in order for them not to hit their heads on walls?

What sort of environment would be conducive to preventing this manifestation from happening?



Hitting heads on walls is generally the outcome of sensory over stimulation, right? This is talking about autistic traits being a reversion to what we evolved from. So, imagine you lived in a world of nature and only in a small tribe of people who need each other for survival. No fluorescent lights, no chemicals, no machinery, no blasting stereos, no artificial food, no engineered fabric. Alertness needed for snakes and bears, but generally predictable nature. Maybe social structure but no energy for mind games or extreme social expectations because the focus is on finding food and shelter.

I am very grounded when camping and away from technology. I don't have the survival knowledge or skills to actually live in nature, but I would if I did.


This theory reminds me of a book I read by Donna Williams, called "Autism and Sensing: The Unlost Instinct". It proposed that our sensory development stays at an innate level of perception, and understanding of the sensory world.


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05 Feb 2019, 9:37 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
This theory reminds me of a book I read by Donna Williams, called "Autism and Sensing: The Unlost Instinct". It proposed that our sensory development stays at an innate level of perception, and understanding of the sensory world.



I've always thought that on my own.



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06 Feb 2019, 4:44 am

I think the opposite --did not really think about it until recently, but due to certain experiences I have had recently, it now makes perfect sense--that many autistic people including myself are somewhat disconnected and even cut off from sensation. Sensation is grounding and also is, I believe, a common ground and connecting bridge between people.

I did look her up online, and I can see (get a sense:-) of the perspective she was trying to put forth, but it doesn't make sense to me. For instance if an autistic person experiences terror, at least as I have experienced it, they have nothing to hold onto and in this way (sense) are kind of cut off from sensation.



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06 Feb 2019, 6:00 am

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It has been proven, in many peer-reviewed studies, that autism has MANY causes. I believe they have isolated multiple genes which have been proven to cause autism.

One mode of treatment might be perfect for one person; but might be disastrous for another person.

There's also this evidence for the theory:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4927579/

http://pseudoexpertise.com/ch-2.pdf



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07 Feb 2019, 4:45 am

Starcats wrote:

starcats wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
How would one account for the folks with autism who have to wear helmets in order for them not to hit their heads on walls?

What sort of environment would be conducive to preventing this manifestation from happening?



Hitting heads on walls is generally the outcome of sensory over stimulation, right? This is talking about autistic traits being a reversion to what we evolved from. So, imagine you lived in a world of nature and only in a small tribe of people who need each other for survival. No fluorescent lights, no chemicals, no machinery, no blasting stereos, no artificial food, no engineered fabric. Alertness needed for snakes and bears, but generally predictable nature. Maybe social structure but no energy for mind games or extreme social expectations because the focus is on finding food and shelter.

I am very grounded when camping and away from technology. I don't have the survival knowledge or skills to actually live in nature, but I would if I did.


Starcats, I think you are onto a simple explanation that really does makes sense. However, to me hitting heads on walls is not necessarily an outcome of overstimulation. This is maybe a simplification and I will explain better another time, but it could be an outcome of a certain kind of understimulation, or maybe, better put, the inability, for certain reasons, imo some of them social-environmental, to make certain kinds of sensory connections. I am not sure, though, if I would call sensation (in the way I am using it here) stimulation. Sensation is a form of stimulation, but to me stimulation in this head banging instance suggests arousal, whereas the way I am thinking of sensation suggest grounding. I would say that in certain situations the child has lost his grounding and is unable to connect, so is verifying to himself his existence by and maybe expressing rage and frustration by head banging.



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07 Feb 2019, 8:19 am

I see a lot of primate behaviours cropping up in humans, but I've never seen hand-flapping or toe-walking as precursors to normal development.



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02 Oct 2019, 6:10 pm

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I have to agree that you should "break it down" for the "laymen" (like me).

Define the rather esoteric term "antiinnatia," for example

Antiinnatia is the general reduction of gene expression of innate characteristics. In lower levels it supresses junk innatons, thus causing the variations of IQ between individuals. In extreme levels it supresses innatons of the specie, thus causing autism and/or potential creative genius.
The more advantageous is a caractheristic, the less likely it can be supressed.


:lol: :lol: :lol:
You truly reduced the confusion.

Okay let me try..
Let's say that
genes are flower plants,
the gene expression of innate characteristics = is the way the flower plant can blossom in so many different ways depending on soil, fertilizer, sun, wind, temperature

the word Antiinnatia is made of two words Anti and innatia, so basically this is something that is oppose. or against .. etc

so the anti-innatia is something that oposes.. figts or does not like the innatia :lol:

So while normally gene = flowers, would bloom like a beautiful field given all things needed, here comes a little naughty antiinnatia like acid rain or.. draught.. or scisors
and cut and nip a flower here and there.. hence - surpresses the gene expression.

And while normally such Antiinatia's job would be to just go about normal business like yanking the weeds so the flowers could bloom nicer, or nipping a flower here and there causing flowers to grow bigger and better, now you have the Antiinatia going after the very beautiful flower field that was not supposed to be subjected to such an Antiinnatia'vism. :D

So while this is pretty whacked up process, now you can have three possible outcomes instead of one. In the original design you should just have one and the same flower field in each and every person, if the managing natural process would be identical.

However comes Antiinnatia and now you can have the flower field altered in different ways either causing autism or create genius, or probably both?.. sometimes?



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02 Oct 2019, 7:38 pm

There are no pubmed articles about it.



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02 Oct 2019, 7:53 pm

[quote="star cats"
I am very grounded when camping and away from technology. I don't have the survival knowledge or skills to actually live in nature, but I would if I did.[/quote]

Likewise, I am more grounded, or myself when wilderness canoeing. I didn't know anyone else experienced this.

It is such a profound experience for me that I am trying to integrate ways of doing things while camping into ways of doing things when home.

Sorry for the off-topic.


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02 Oct 2019, 10:12 pm

blazingstar, How do you integrate wilderness camping into being at home?



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03 Oct 2019, 1:13 pm

^^^I always start my day with a cup of coffee or hot chocolate outside.

I don't have room for a bedside table. Instead I have a hook that I hang my eyeglasses on when I go to sleep...like the loop in the tent.

I have a small basket with all the little things in it I need at bedtime but forget to do before I squirm into the tent. In the tent, it is in a pocket of the tent. At home, it is a little basket hanging from a hook. In it are carmex, cough drops, hand cream, etc. I sit on my bed and attend to all those little things, just like I do in the tent.

Little things like that make my day flow and also remind me of the feeling I get when I am outdoors.


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03 Oct 2019, 4:13 pm

Samanto Hermes wrote:
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So it has to do with "epigenetics". How the environment can effect how genes are expressed.

Also it involves the genetic factors that regulate gene expression.

Actually nowadays there are more things that affect gene expressions.