Experimental Hybrid Cars Get Up to 250 Mpg

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31 Aug 2005, 9:56 pm

Experimental Hybrid Cars Get Up to 250 Mpg
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CORTE MADERA, Calif. (AP) -- Politicians and automakers say a car that can both reduce greenhouse gases and free America from its reliance on foreign oil is years or even decades away. Ron Gremban says such a car is parked in his garage.

It looks like a typical Toyota Prius hybrid, but in the trunk sits an 80-miles-per-gallon secret -- a stack of 18 brick-sized batteries that boosts the car's high mileage with an extra electrical charge so it can burn even less fuel.

Gremban, an electrical engineer and committed environmentalist, spent several months and $3,000 tinkering with his car.

Like all hybrids, his Prius increases fuel efficiency by harnessing small amounts of electricity generated during braking and coasting. The extra batteries let him store extra power by plugging the car into a wall outlet at his home in this San Francisco suburb -- all for about a quarter.

He's part of a small but growing movement. “Plug-in” hybrids aren't yet cost-efficient, but some of the dozen known experimental models have gotten up to 250 mpg.

They have support not only from environmentalists but also from conservative foreign policy hawks who insist Americans fuel terrorism through their gas guzzling.

And while the technology has existed for three decades, automakers are beginning to take notice, too.

So far, DaimlerChrysler AG is the only company that has committed to building its own plug-in hybrids, quietly pledging to make up to 40 vans for U.S. companies. But Toyota Motor Corp. officials who initially frowned on people altering their cars now say they may be able to learn from them.

“They're like the hot rodders of yesterday who did everything to soup up their cars. It was all about horsepower and bling-bling, lots of chrome and accessories,” said Cindy Knight, a Toyota spokeswoman. “Maybe the hot rodders of tomorrow are the people who want to get in there and see what they can do about increasing fuel economy.”

The extra batteries let Gremban drive for 20 miles with a 50-50 mix of gas and electricity. Even after the car runs out of power from the batteries and switches to the standard hybrid mode, it gets the typical Prius fuel efficiency of around 45 mpg. As long as Gremban doesn't drive too far in a day, he says, he gets 80 mpg.

“The value of plug-in hybrids is they can dramatically reduce gasoline usage for the first few miles every day,” Gremban said. “The average for people's usage of a car is somewhere around 30 to 40 miles per day. During that kind of driving, the plug-in hybrid can make a dramatic difference.”

Backers of plug-in hybrids acknowledge that the electricity to boost their cars generally comes from fossil fuels that create greenhouse gases, but they say that process still produces far less pollution than oil. They also note that electricity could be generated cleanly from solar power.

Gremban rigged his car to promote the nonprofit CalCars Initiative, a San Francisco Bay area-based volunteer effort that argues automakers could mass produce plug-in hybrids at a reasonable price.

But Toyota and other car companies say they are worried about the cost, convenience and safety of plug-in hybrids -- and note that consumers haven't embraced all-electric cars because of the inconvenience of recharging them like giant cell phones.

Automakers have spent millions of dollars telling motorists that hybrids don't need to be plugged in, and don't want to confuse the message.

Nonetheless, plug-in hybrids are starting to get the backing of prominent hawks like former CIA director James Woolsey and Frank Gaffney, President Reagan's undersecretary of defense. They have joined Set America Free, a group that wants the government to spend $12 billion over four years on plug-in hybrids, alternative fuels and other measures to reduce foreign oil dependence.

Gaffney, who heads the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Security Policy, said Americans would embrace plug-ins if they understood arguments from him and others who say gasoline contributes to oil-rich Middle Eastern governments that support terrorism.

“The more we are consuming oil that either comes from places that are bent on our destruction or helping those who are ... the more we are enabling those who are trying to kill us,” Gaffney said.

DaimlerChrysler spokesman Nick Cappa said plug-in hybrids are ideal for companies with fleets of vehicles that can be recharged at a central location at night. He declined to name the companies buying the vehicles and said he did not know the vehicles' mileage or cost, or when they would be available.

Others are modifying hybrids, too.

Monrovia-based Energy CS has converted two Priuses to get up to 230 mpg by using powerful lithium ion batteries. It is forming a new company, EDrive Systems, that will convert hybrids to plug-ins for about $12,000 starting next year, company vice president Greg Hanssen said.

University of California, Davis engineering professor Andy Frank built a plug-in hybrid from the ground up in 1972 and has since built seven others, one of which gets up to 250 mpg. They were converted from non-hybrids, including a Ford Taurus and Chevrolet Suburban.

Frank has spent $150,000 to $250,000 in research costs on each car, but believes automakers could mass-produce them by adding just $6,000 to each vehicle's price tag.

Instead, Frank said, automakers promise hydrogen-powered vehicles hailed by President Bush and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, even though hydrogen's backers acknowledge the cars won't be widely available for years and would require a vast infrastructure of new fueling stations.

“They'd rather work on something that won't be in their lifetime, and that's this hydrogen economy stuff,” Frank said. “They pick this kind of target to get the public off their back, essentially



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31 Aug 2005, 11:55 pm

I do not get people, when the automobile first came out and all the newer cars there after for the next few decades, they cost a small fortune, eventually the costs came down to become more affordable to the average American, now with gasoline prices starting to soar it seems people would be more interested in vehicles that got extremely good mileage, hey, these new cars can do over 100 hph and have vary good take off speeds now, and the more people want them the more that would be made and the more cheaper they would become.
so,,,,,,, why the lack of intrest people?



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01 Sep 2005, 1:12 am

ok, lets get some stuff straight!

this famed 250mpg car runs largely electric and is more expensive per mile than its gas guzzling counterparts (electricity is wicked expensive to move a car). If you think we will solve our dependence on oil by switching to more expensive electricity then you are wrong. Know why? Where does electricity come from? Whoops! Oil, coal, nuclear, etc

bah, </end evil rant>


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01 Sep 2005, 1:21 am

Claiming 250mpg with battery assistance is deceitful.

Volkswagon made an uncomfortably small four-seat concpet car that (using only fuel) runs well over 100kpl.



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01 Sep 2005, 10:25 am

Quote:
Where does electricity come from? Whoops! Oil, coal, nuclear, etc


What's so bad about nuclear?


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01 Sep 2005, 1:38 pm

Prometheus wrote:
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Where does electricity come from? Whoops! Oil, coal, nuclear, etc


What's so bad about nuclear?


nothing, its wonderful

I'm just pointing out that we cannot point a magic wand to fix this problem


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01 Sep 2005, 1:56 pm

I remember sitting on a bus once riding to high school, and this one guy said 'What if there was a city where there were no cars alowed, but only walking.' He had a good point, since without cars, people can't get away from a crime scene really fast, people would get more excercise, and people wouldn't be wasting their money on gas. He also had a point that police officers could ride bikes. I don't know, it just sounded cool to me; a little off topic, sorry. I think that people could get electricity without gas, coal, nuclear etc; they could get it from dams, solar panels, windmills, and all sorts of stuff that generate electricity; it's not just raw fuels that get people electricity. It would be cool to have a car that went 250mpg, since people wouldn't have to stop that much for road trips or every day to commute, plus people wouldn't be wasting money on gas prices; electricity isn't really that hard to come by nowadays.


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01 Sep 2005, 3:30 pm

aspiegirl2 wrote:
I remember sitting on a bus once riding to high school, and this one guy said 'What if there was a city where there were no cars alowed, but only walking.' He had a good point, since without cars, people can't get away from a crime scene really fast, people would get more excercise, and people wouldn't be wasting their money on gas. He also had a point that police officers could ride bikes. I don't know, it just sounded cool to me; a little off topic, sorry. I think that people could get electricity without gas, coal, nuclear etc; they could get it from dams, solar panels, windmills, and all sorts of stuff that generate electricity; it's not just raw fuels that get people electricity. It would be cool to have a car that went 250mpg, since people wouldn't have to stop that much for road trips or every day to commute, plus people wouldn't be wasting money on gas prices; electricity isn't really that hard to come by nowadays.



ah, someone else who's interested in renewable energy. I love renewable energy. One day, I want to live in a house where the roof is covered in solar panels and a wind turbine on top. That way, I can generate my own electricity and save the environment at the same time. :D



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01 Sep 2005, 9:00 pm

have fun cleaning the butchered bird carcasses off your house and person because of your wind power ;)

heh, I'm evil today (and probably most days)


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