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13 Mar 2020, 6:26 pm

I don't trust WiFi. People always find out years later that something thought safe actually causes cancer or something. I'm totally against this pervasive public WiFi garbage. The Internet is used for a lot of unproductive garbage, so it's not like public WiFi is some wonderful public service.

I have found that I cannot sleep at all when I leave the router on in my bedroom. Like you, my ISP told me to leave it on, but I was up all night and felt terrible in the morning until I started shutting it off every night.

This was with the WiFi function shut off, so the router was being used for Ethernet only. Sleeping with WiFi probably would have been worse.

I usually feel bad after being at the library for several hours. I've been assuming that not eating for so long causes it, but now I wonder whether it's the WiFi.



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13 Mar 2020, 6:59 pm

It might be the WIFI. The only way to check is to see the difference between being in a wifi area and being in an area without wifi. I do believe some people are sensitive to it, and I am wondering if the burnout issues I have reached during the last few years have been due to the wifi. While I wont say it is just the wifi, as it isn't, but if I am already stressed up and the wifi enviroment at home does jot allow me to relax, then it could be why I keep hitting burnout where in the past I was ok.
But there again, it could be my age as when I was younger I could cope with more stress and anxiety. Who knows!
The problem is I can't really turn it off at night as I am not the only user. My nephew is currently having a game loading up and as our internet is on the furthest reaching parts of the exchange, his game he is loading is taking days. His computer estimated four weeks to download. He was thinking of taking the whole computer to his Dads house in town as it would download in just a couple of hours there. He keeps needing to pause the download as we need to go online, and we cant get online when the download (Or is it upload?) is taking place.



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13 Mar 2020, 7:34 pm

Building materials like steel reinforced concrete are very effective at blocking radio signals like WiFi.



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13 Mar 2020, 9:17 pm

aluminum foil works very well .. ever heard the phrase 60 cycle humm.. had aspie friend whom could notice it constantly in Flourescent lights . Foil can be used to practically stop radio waves
Of which WIfI frequencies are exactly that. Aluminized materials work well . even Paint . Less density of the material less effective.. shiney fabrics occasionally of made of metallized materials will block infared pretty well also .. Consolidating radio frequencies can have a bad effect on the equipment generating them.. but only if immediately like wrapping the output antenna up .
depending how the equipment is built. obvious microwave oven equipment is made to survive these situations well.
Faraday cage type situations can be used to protect from radio frequencies as well as force them to stay in a particular area. Buildings that are build of wood and plaster will absorb rather than consolidate a electromagnetic field.
There are metalized fabrics that some companies are actually making clothing out of .. They find the hoodies they manufacture are a big seller. These can reflect a large amount of radio frequencies away from them . just FYI and yes was a ham radio electronics tech . And operator at one point in time . Amongst other hobbies grew up around.


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13 Mar 2020, 9:33 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
It might be the WIFI. The only way to check is to see the difference between being in a wifi area and being in an area without wifi. I do believe some people are sensitive to it, and I am wondering if the burnout issues I have reached during the last few years have been due to the wifi. While I wont say it is just the wifi, as it isn't, but if I am already stressed up and the wifi enviroment at home does jot allow me to relax, then it could be why I keep hitting burnout where in the past I was ok.
But there again, it could be my age as when I was younger I could cope with more stress and anxiety. Who knows!
The problem is I can't really turn it off at night as I am not the only user. My nephew is currently having a game loading up and as our internet is on the furthest reaching parts of the exchange, his game he is loading is taking days. His computer estimated four weeks to download. He was thinking of taking the whole computer to his Dads house in town as it would download in just a couple of hours there. He keeps needing to pause the download as we need to go online, and we cant get online when the download (Or is it upload?) is taking place.

when you were younger there were most like much less high frequency radio equipment in use ,, And aluminum foil can help direct the direction of a radio wave ,, test for yourself , if you make a Sheet of foil and angle it around the side of the wifi modem. , you do not wish to get a radio signal from ( or the direction , you dont want it to go ) then go about 20 ft away and check the signal strength , ( wifi indicator) on the devise you are using . experiment with shaping the foil till you get less or no signal in the direction you wish.

if the foil needs to be grounded thats the next lesson in the series of directing radio waves .. Aluminum Soda cans cut in half lengthways can be used to do this too. Higher density metal than foil ..


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30 Mar 2020, 11:11 am

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I can hear the squeal (for lack of a better word) of radio transmitters. RC cars, televisions, wifi. It's always driven me crazy. If I were asleep in a house and someone in another room turned on a tv I would wake up instantly.
The modem that I got when I had internet set up where I live now squeals a lot. I can't stand it. I thought that turning the wifi aspect of it off would help, since it should no longer be using radio, but it really hasn't. I've been thinking about wrapping it in aluminum foil to see if that would block out the signal, since I'm only using the ethernet connection anyway. haven't tried it yet.


Old CRT type TV do make a high frequency noise because of the equipment needed to cause the electron beam to scan across the screen.
With a lot of newer electronics, they using a type of power supply called a switching power supply. They switch on and off at high frequency, and if they are cheaply made, they will make audible noise.

On the topic of RF signals, many double blind tests have shown that we can't tell if transmitter is on or off.
That doesn't mean that your your wireless router or access point from the phone or cable company isn't the cheapest one they could find, and it happens to make a noise that you can just barely hear and it drives you up the wall.
I use to be able to hear a lot of those high frequency sounds from cheaply made electronics, but my hearing got damaged, and now I have tinnitus.



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30 Mar 2020, 12:26 pm

^^ Many people can't tell when a transmitter is on, but some can pick up a cell phone from a hundred meters away, because they are too sensitive and have to live in radio isolation. It was recently discovered that about 25% of people can find magnetic north.



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30 Mar 2020, 5:14 pm

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^^ Many people can't tell when a transmitter is on, but some can pick up a cell phone from a hundred meters away, because they are too sensitive and have to live in radio isolation. It was recently discovered that about 25% of people can find magnetic north.


Sounds like a handy ability ... :cyclopsani:


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30 Mar 2020, 5:34 pm

A lot of unsupported (and unsupportable) claims in this thread...

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30 Mar 2020, 5:38 pm

Fnord wrote:
A lot of unsupported (and unsupportable) claims in this thread...

:roll:


There is always far less turbulence in a debate if neither side has a large financial interest.



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30 Mar 2020, 5:41 pm

Dear_one wrote:
Fnord wrote:
A lot of unsupported (and unsupportable) claims in this thread...
There is always far less turbulence in a debate if neither side has a large financial interest.
I would have to check my portfolio, but I doubt that I have very much invested in WiFi stock.



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30 Mar 2020, 6:01 pm

Fnord wrote:
Dear_one wrote:
Fnord wrote:
A lot of unsupported (and unsupportable) claims in this thread...
There is always far less turbulence in a debate if neither side has a large financial interest.
I would have to check my portfolio, but I doubt that I have very much invested in WiFi stock.

I didn't think you had, but the information universe you inhabit is highly dependent on dollars, and generally subservient to them.



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30 Mar 2020, 7:08 pm

Jakki wrote:
aluminum foil works very well .. ever heard the phrase 60 cycle humm.. had aspie friend whom could notice it constantly in Flourescent lights . Foil can be used to practically stop radio waves
Of which WIfI frequencies are exactly that. Aluminized materials work well . even Paint . Less density of the material less effective.. shiney fabrics occasionally of made of metallized materials will block infared pretty well also .. Consolidating radio frequencies can have a bad effect on the equipment generating them.. but only if immediately like wrapping the output antenna up .
depending how the equipment is built. obvious microwave oven equipment is made to survive these situations well.
Faraday cage type situations can be used to protect from radio frequencies as well as force them to stay in a particular area. Buildings that are build of wood and plaster will absorb rather than consolidate a electromagnetic field.
There are metalized fabrics that some companies are actually making clothing out of .. They find the hoodies they manufacture are a big seller. These can reflect a large amount of radio frequencies away from them . just FYI and yes was a ham radio electronics tech . And operator at one point in time . Amongst other hobbies grew up around.


I can still hear florescent lights. Is a headachy sound. I thought everyone can hear them?



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30 Mar 2020, 8:35 pm

Mountain Goat wrote:
Jakki wrote:
aluminum foil works very well .. ever heard the phrase 60 cycle humm.. had aspie friend whom could notice it constantly in Flourescent lights . Foil can be used to practically stop radio waves
Of which WIfI frequencies are exactly that. Aluminized materials work well . even Paint . Less density of the material less effective.. shiney fabrics occasionally of made of metallized materials will block infared pretty well also .. Consolidating radio frequencies can have a bad effect on the equipment generating them.. but only if immediately like wrapping the output antenna up .
depending how the equipment is built. obvious microwave oven equipment is made to survive these situations well.
Faraday cage type situations can be used to protect from radio frequencies as well as force them to stay in a particular area. Buildings that are build of wood and plaster will absorb rather than consolidate a electromagnetic field.
There are metalized fabrics that some companies are actually making clothing out of .. They find the hoodies they manufacture are a big seller. These can reflect a large amount of radio frequencies away from them . just FYI and yes was a ham radio electronics tech . And operator at one point in time . Amongst other hobbies grew up around.


I can still hear florescent lights. Is a headachy sound. I thought everyone can hear them?


NOPE....... i can only hear them sometimes if its really quiet, real nuisance
but the light they give off and the sound gives me headaches. even some of the new LED replacements lights . the brightness gets to me at night... Have had to leave some businesses cause of both of these types of lights :idea:
If your gonna get stuck in a situation , where you don,t have a choice put yourself next to the nearest natural light source a window , whatever .
or do not put yourself through being stuck under these kinda lights if you can help it. :roll:


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30 Mar 2020, 8:40 pm

Jakki wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
Jakki wrote:
aluminum foil works very well .. ever heard the phrase 60 cycle humm.. had aspie friend whom could notice it constantly in Flourescent lights . Foil can be used to practically stop radio waves
Of which WIfI frequencies are exactly that. Aluminized materials work well . even Paint . Less density of the material less effective.. shiney fabrics occasionally of made of metallized materials will block infared pretty well also .. Consolidating radio frequencies can have a bad effect on the equipment generating them.. but only if immediately like wrapping the output antenna up .
depending how the equipment is built. obvious microwave oven equipment is made to survive these situations well.
Faraday cage type situations can be used to protect from radio frequencies as well as force them to stay in a particular area. Buildings that are build of wood and plaster will absorb rather than consolidate a electromagnetic field.
There are metalized fabrics that some companies are actually making clothing out of .. They find the hoodies they manufacture are a big seller. These can reflect a large amount of radio frequencies away from them . just FYI and yes was a ham radio electronics tech . And operator at one point in time . Amongst other hobbies grew up around.


I can still hear florescent lights. Is a headachy sound. I thought everyone can hear them?


NOPE....... i can only hear them sometimes if its really quiet, real nuisance
but the light they give off and the sound gives me headaches. even some of the new LED replacements lights . the brightness get to me at night... Have had to leave some businesses cause of both of these types of lights :idea:

Ooh. You can hear the new lights as well? I am glad it is not just me!
The only lights I got on with were the older traditional bulbs, and especially a bulb known as a daylight bulb. Not been able to get another locally though since Maplins closed.



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30 Mar 2020, 8:45 pm

Old fluorescent lights have a ballast that can get loose and start to buzz at 60 hz. Other faults can add noise that any good mic can hear, but there are certainly electrical fields vibrating too.
I was surprised to not be bothered by the fluorescent lights when I worked in a sign shop. It turned out that we had to do color matching, so they were full-spectrum tubes. I've used those ever since for most things.