How do they do it?

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I mean, how are they finding logic in this anywhere?

DFS is cutting things down for me because somebody else is paying my bills and everything is in their name. Which means I can be kicked out at any minute technically because nothing is in my name... They just don't seem to understand that. They say there is no way someone can live somewhere and have absolutely no income.

Pell Grant was denied altogether and the lady made a comment about me having kids and how it's impossible. So I guess I'm supposed to pay for college using our food stamps or something, lol. How can it be that unbelievable that someone wouldn't have some income.

It's just silly that I'm wanting to do this stuff in my name just to be independent to some degree, and they are making it so darn hard to do it. Does anyone have any clue what I'm supposed to say to these people so that they will understand that the situation is just as I'm telling them it is? Or any advice for the next round of dealing with them, because I am at a complete loss for the most part-they don't understand that I'm telling them how it is, I don't understand why anyone else's income needs to be figured in when those people can stop helping me any time they choose.

It may depend who is helping you. In UK if you are living with boyfriend then you can't get social security help as if you were single it has to be assessed as a couple and his income considered. Also if you are living with your parents then it will be considered you are a dependent of them and not able to claim for your rent, bills etc.

I had a friend who went back to education in her thirties, she had two kids and had been independent since 16y but her elderly mum came to stay with her and because of this she was considered as 'living with parents' and had her grant cut.
Also had a friend who was taking care of her elderly, sick mother at home because she didn't want to put her in a nursing home and she had her social security cut because she 'lived with parents' regardless that the parent was dependent on her.

The forms are standard and they just tick the boxes without taking individual cases into consideration unless you appeal, then they scrutinise and look for any excuse not to give you anything!

ah weird. Well, currently the situation is that I'm living on my own with the 2 kiddos. All of my bills, including the rent is in someone else's name. I have been unable to work for 5 years.... so I literally have no income. When I need shampoo or something like that, the person just brings it by.

As far as names on things makes it, I'm living in someone else's property, but they do not live with me.

It still seems rather silly that it is so astonishing to them that I see no cash, lol. I have food stamps to get food for everyone, which were recently cut. They only pay partial day care (I'm like, $800 behind on that due to the only partial coverage). It almost seems I would be better off dealing with these people if I was homeless to get assistance than to actually be trying to do something with my life...

You would think it makes more sense for them to help somebody who is attempting to help themselves than to look for reasons not to help, lol.

Whoever is writing out the checks for your bills needs to contact DCF ASAP and your school's Financial Aid office ASAP and have something in writing prepared for both stating how much they pay, why you don't have any income, how old your two kids are etc., etc. I had to have my mom's lawyer do it once when I first started college since my mom was making 100+k's per year and wouldn't give me a dime (at the time). The school said I didn't need any financial aid and my mom's lawyer sent a letter stating that they didn't know how I was paying for anything... It will take you months to get everything straightened out with fin. aid and all. But do it, it will make your life much easier.

By the way, I have an ultra-rare bone condition (othofibrous dysplasia) and was denied for disability because I'm "over-educated." I can never get private insurance unless I'm very wealthy or employed at a large company where they have a group discount, and even then many companies won't insure pre-existing conditions. So, I have to wait till I'm a professor apparently to get medical insurance! They told me that if I had kids I would be on disability already but I guess since I went to college and have no kids, I'm not considered disabled. Never mind that I've broken over 30 bones just between ages 10-16 and I'm now 27 and in a wheelchair part-time for a broken kneecap suffered last December! The U.S. system makes no sense at all, it rewards you for doing NOTHING with yourself and piling up kids and bills and CUTS you down if you try to get an education. We concluded in a philosophy seminar I took that when you look at the criminal justice system and social services system in this country that it's DESIGNED to keep poor people in jail and the sick dead.

Actually, it is AMAZING that the governmnet gets so much done. They are almost all such blithering idiots! I'll bet NONE recognizes these words!

JUSTICE? YEAH RIGHT! I get to pay THOUSANDS to pay anothers debt while I am basically made a SLAVE! The courts won't hear my position! And STILL, I pay TENS of thousands every year to support them!

Domestic tranquility? IMPOSSIBLE without justice!

For the COMMON defense? They fight PRIVATE battles, and ignore common concerns!

WELFARE? The schools are BAD, Inflation is BAD, Food is not good, ETC....

Blessings? If they believed THAT, why even hold a meeting or fight a war?

Liberty? With NO justice?????????? NOPE!

Posterity? Won't happen then if not now!

Ordain? What is the point if it isn't acted on?

Meanwhile, the poor and in real need are denied support while the criminals live in what, to some degree, can be called LUXURY! Free meals, education, TV, workouts, medical, etc... I still remember the work required to put up an antenna so we could recieve perhaps 9 channels!(2,4,5,7,9,11,13,28,52, as I recall) Some were FUZZY! Why should criminals even get THAT!?

lol, it's so true. I always feel absolutely terrible when I go into the DFS office. Every time I walk out thinking that I will only have to do it for a bit longer, then I should be able to take care of things myself and all. But then, the second anything changes in my life, they start chopping things away.

A good while back, during a high risk pregnancy, I went and applied because I was unable to get a job that would keep me full time due to the pregnancy, not to mention my crappy social skills, lol, but that's another chunk of it. I managed to get a job working at a car wash. I could only work part time, and was going to make maybe $250 a month because the hours were so short. I took in all of my bills, car insurance payment, car payment, etc, because they asked me to. What did they do? lol, they cut food stamps down to $42 a month. I was absolutely amazed by the logic, considering my monthly income would only cover maybe 1/4 of my bills... and that's a big maybe in the area I was living in. We lived off of Ramen noodles, because clearly $42 isn't gonna cover much, lol, and they sent some social worker over to tell me about nutrition because I needed to eat properly during the pregnancy-ROFL! I just looked at her, she checked my cabinets and saw what we had, which wasn't much other than those noodles, then proceeded to lecture me again. I told her how much I was getting, and how my check was straight to bills and that was probably only temporary until the place found out about the high-risk part because I was actually supposed to be on bed rest. She stopped lecturing me and proceeded to talk to my case worker quickly, lol.

It really is amazing how backwards it seems to be, and I really cannot see how anyone can work in one of those offices and actually think they are helping people. I know I will find a way to make it out of this situation, I'm determined to, but I have to get through college first because no job is going to take someone to work at a cash register who just grunts at the customers, lol, or freaks out when one says too much, etc.

These people in DFS, since I have started college I have been called "stupid" 4-5 times, I've had meltdowns when talking to caseworkers at least 2 times now, I'm in tears almost every single time I leave due to them just not listening and comparing me to all of those who just stay on it 'cuz it's free (they act like I don't need it at all). It's just frustrating dealing with them, but there is nowhere else to go for the help. I cannot wait to get out of it, but it isn't hard to see AT ALL how people get so stuck with it or how it becomes just a way of life.

Yeah, I have the same kind of thing happening. I'm making LOTS of people filthy rich and I think I am either going to die working(I almost did once), or I may just end up breaking even. I WOULD have easily been over 2/3rd towards my goal, and would have had twice the equity, but now am only like 1/2 way there. All due to stupid banking laws, colusion, and odd reverse logic. Oh well, there were a couple stupid mistakes I never made.

People were LAUGHING at how "stupid" I was at times. They wanted me to refinance at their supposedly lower rates. I WISH I had the time, and recorded them. I would have destroyed their lives like they destroyed their customers lives. Why is it that ***I*** have to get licensed to tell the truth, and they so easily get away with LIES, with NO license?

Oh well, IRONICALLY, the credit garbage had me pull money out of the market, so the "sub prime" mortgage garbage didn't affect me there. AGAIN, ironically, that money went towards paying off debt.

And my mother retired early, so she will NEVER make what she otherwise would have, and she has to make twice as much as she needs. They reduce her pension $1 for like every $2 she earns.