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18 Feb 2021, 3:48 pm

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P.S. The Autism I "have" is in the part of the Autism Specturm formerly known as Asperger's Syndrome. Speaking solely for myself, and whatever specific color of Autism I have, I think I have a difference, not a disorder, and the issues I have encountered can largely be attributed to being stuck in a world crafted to the taste of NTs.


Same here and I am in total agreement with this view.


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18 Feb 2021, 3:57 pm

Yes, there has not been a conclusive agreement within the medical community as to what the cause is of the various problems that come under the ASD banner.

ASD is known as a neurological developmental disorder. In plain English, this means that the neural networks of the individual with this disorder develop differently to how "normal" peoples neural networks develop.

During the evaluation process, clinical psychologists will ask all sorts of questions to determine if any of the known factors are present that are considered possible causes of the disorder. some of these factors will include:

Was the patient born prematurely?
Was there any problems with the pregnancy?
Was the patient's birth problematic?
Was there any problems during early developmental years? For example, any accidents?

It is possible that these conditions are possible contributory factors.

For example, in my own particular circumstance, I was born prematurely.
When i was born, the placenta was extremely thin, according to the doctor and midwife who performed the birth, the placenta would not normally have been thick or healthy enough to keep a kitten alive.

Then, when i was born, I was born discolored due to oxygen starvation and during the birth I stopped breathing for over 2 minutes. This would have caused brain damage as well as damage to my lungs.

Also, during the early years, as i was a toddler, i had an accident where i landed on my head.
When i was 3, i also had an accident falling down the stairs in the house we lived in.

So all the above are the types of things that may be factors, although, my mum has many ASD traits which are common to me, but she had a normal birth and up bringing.

So.... it is possible that we are purely genetic mutations. Although this is still is unknown.



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19 Feb 2021, 1:16 am

It's all to do with the neuro-biologics in the human brain.

I am personally under the impression the cause of my autism could be the umbilical cord was tangled around my neck when I was given birth.

I had heard this from the few others and this isn't proven at all.


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20 Feb 2021, 6:02 pm

A review from 2021 claims "there is strong evidence pointing to mid-fetal prefrontal cortical development as one nexus of vulnerability for some of the largest-effect ASD risk genes" (https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/fu ... 0.20111608).

This doesn't give exact causes but is consistent with some other replies here that ASD is a disorder of how the brain develops. It seems like there are many potential causes, a lot related to genetics, so it's difficult to narrow things down to specific causes.



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20 Feb 2021, 6:20 pm

Look up gene expression particularity on the H1N1 gene . Just offering a piece of information .


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21 Feb 2021, 12:51 am

Every human has a brain disorder. There is no normal human. Humans are defective. god is defective.

What is the salary of a brain disorder specialist. I declare myself a brain disorder specialist. I declare every human on earth with a brain disorder. I should be a billionaire.



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21 Feb 2021, 11:00 am

DIVAIR wrote:
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is it damage to the brain or damage to the nervous system, Im really trying to understand what causes autism


It's neither, it's mutation. DNA gets damaged and causes recessive traits in organisms: one of the biggest causes of damage is radiation:

In physics, radiation is the emission or transmission of energy in the form of waves or particles through space or through a material medium. This includes:

Electromagnetic radiation, such as radio waves, microwaves, infrared, visible light, ultraviolet, x-rays, and gamma radiation (γ)

Particle radiation, such as alpha radiation (α), beta radiation (β),proton radiation and neutron radiation (particles of non-zero rest energy)

Try to think of it like The Incredible Hulk: Dr. Banner's DNA was mutated by Gamma Rays... Not that it actually works that way though because Gamma Rays are very, very deadly. It's the stray particles that do very minor damage, but do change the DNA.

I hope that helps,

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It also could be caused by chemical exposure to toxic molecules in the environment. Certain chemicals can cause mutations to DNA. One example is chromic acid (often used to clean laboratory glassware). It is a carcinogen, a teratogen and a mutagen. It can be found in the environment if it has been illegally dumped there. That chemical was likely the cause of a live two headed catfish and a mutant large clam (not natural to the area) that I caught fishing as a kid in the 1980s. (I used to sport fish, but never to eat the fish.) The area has since been tested as severely contaminated with chromic materials from a closed chrome plating shop (who dumped their waste there). The lake is now gone as they had to completely remove the contaminated soil underneath the water during the cleanup process.



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21 Feb 2021, 1:42 pm

The etiology of autism has yet to be discovered scientifically but for practical purposes it doesn't matter



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21 Feb 2021, 2:56 pm

Iphone31966 wrote:
Every human has a brain disorder. There is no normal human. Humans are defective. god is defective.

What is the salary of a brain disorder specialist. I declare myself a brain disorder specialist. I declare every human on earth with a brain disorder. I should be a billionaire.

I really like that. It amuses me. I tell my kids we are perfectly imperfect, but perhaps could normalize "defective" as partial and not damning.

On the spectrum I wonder that x deviation get by with y effort (personal + community), 2x deviation get by with 2y effort --- I feel for the 3x deviation b/c not many communities make 3y efforts. (disclaimer: linear relation is for demonstration purposes only)



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22 Feb 2021, 6:21 am

Think of “deviation” as being “standard deviation.”



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22 Feb 2021, 12:32 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Think of “deviation” as being “standard deviation.”

As in precise machine work ? Lolz
I Have become a standard deviation? :D


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23 Feb 2021, 11:13 pm

The brain is part of the nervous system. From my understanding, autism are differences in functioning of the brain and nervous system, to an extent that causes difficulties with functioning in society, to a lesser or greater degree.

I expect there are many different causes, just as there are many different variations of autism and levels of functioning.

I think some autism may be caused by damage, but in other cases differences in functioning may be just a normal genetic variation.


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23 Feb 2021, 11:19 pm

SharonB wrote:
Iphone31966 wrote:
Every human has a brain disorder. There is no normal human. Humans are defective. god is defective.

...


I love this, it's what I believe too. You just have to compare humanity with all the other species on this planet to come to the conclusion there is something not quite right about us.


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