QFT wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
IQ doesn’t mean all that much outside a “Western,” mainstream context.
People like Dinka tribespeople would probably score low even if they are geniuses. Hence, the “racial” thing.
I don’t see what can be “cultural” about just math, unless you say some cultures are poorly educated. IQ test is all about shapes. I haven’t seen people in European cultures toying around with those too much outside of IQ test.
This kind of thinking is partly to blame for decline in education where they take out Shakespeare and others since they are “white” poets. If they also view math as part of a “white” culture, then no wonder math education gets worse and worse.
A lot of the cultural bias isn't about the content of the test, but about the concept of "testing". We don't realize it because Western people learn it very young, but test-taking is actually a learned skill. If you've never been in the situation of someone asking you a bunch of questions they already know the answer to because they want to figure out how much you know, it can be pretty confusing. A lot of people like the Dinka are uncooperative during IQ tests, not because they're unwilling but because they don't understand what is expected of them. Ergo, they score poorly because they're not answering in a way that reflects their actual level of understanding of the world. They might be great at math, but not realize that you're asking them math questions because you want to know what they know about math.
This is also the same reason some autistic kids score way poorer than their actual ability, and ABA can result in big jumps in tested IQ. Autistic people are less good at picking up unspoken social conventions, including test-taking skills, while ABA is basically nonstop testing so it gives them lots of practice with test-taking.
If the issue is that they don’t know the rules of the gave so to speak, they would then score at zero. But they score at 85. That shows they know what is expected of them, they just aren’t good at it.