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19 Dec 2022, 7:49 pm

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Let's not forget that in the OP he said he sometimes felt like an alien. I don't equate that to being an alien...just feeling like one.

And he was talking about how he felt, not how he should be addressed.

I stand by my two previous responses:
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There are a lot of candidate words for how you were perceived: odd, quirky, etc.

But those terms describe what other people feel about you.

I think "alien" is an excellent description of how you felt.
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Well, there is one thing that would be better than "alien"...your name.
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20 Dec 2022, 6:00 pm

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Extraterrestrial.


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20 Dec 2022, 6:01 pm

Aliens are called aliens because they feel ... alien.

It was an adjective before it was a noun, so I would use it too.

Alien or alienated are both fine.


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20 Dec 2022, 6:12 pm

One of those odd little connections with 'Asperger' as a name for certain types of high-functioning autism no longer in the DSM at this point:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/di ... sh/asperge

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NOUN
1. Also called: asperger
an implement used for scattering holy water
VERB (transitive)
2. to shower or scatter with a liquid, esp holy water


So it's like we're flicking holy water at NT's with a hysop or shaking some white sage around as we go.

You might be able to play with that a bit. Just don't call yourself a Gammaton Cleric (eg. Equilibrium), you might scare your therapist.


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20 Dec 2022, 7:26 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
One of those odd little connections with 'Asperger' as a name for certain types of high-functioning autism no longer in the DSM at this point:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/di ... sh/asperge

Quote:
NOUN
1. Also called: asperger
an implement used for scattering holy water
VERB (transitive)
2. to shower or scatter with a liquid, esp holy water


So it's like we're flicking holy water at NT's with a hysop or shaking some white sage around as we go.

You might be able to play with that a bit. Just don't call yourself a Gammaton Cleric (eg. Equilibrium), you might scare your therapist.
:lol: Love it!!


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20 Dec 2022, 7:43 pm

Before I was diagnosed with ASD, I described myself as an “enigma”. I don’t fit most stereotypes, so “enigma” fits.



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20 Dec 2022, 9:09 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
One of those odd little connections with 'Asperger' as a name for certain types of high-functioning autism no longer in the DSM at this point:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/di ... sh/asperge

Quote:
NOUN
1. Also called: asperger
an implement used for scattering holy water
VERB (transitive)
2. to shower or scatter with a liquid, esp holy water


So it's like we're flicking holy water at NT's with a hysop or shaking some white sage around as we go.

You might be able to play with that a bit. Just don't call yourself a Gammaton Cleric (eg. Equilibrium), you might scare your therapist.

Yes. Ive brought that up before...as a possible origin of the good doctor's name who discovered the condition.

An "asperger" can be the person who does the task of sprinkling holy water in a Catholic Church (like an alter boy). IF so then the correct English pronounciation would be "asperJers". Because how the word is pronounced in English.

So the doc might have been descended from someone who did that task. Or he might be descended from a person from the place in Austria, or Germany, called "Asperg". If the later then the correct pronunciation would be "asperg" with the g as in 'god'.



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20 Dec 2022, 9:37 pm

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Yes. Ive brought that up before...as a possible origin of the good doctor's name who discovered the condition.

An "asperger" can be the person who does the task of sprinkling holy water in a Catholic Church (like an alter boy). IF so then the correct English pronounciation would be "asperJers". Because how the word is pronounced in English.

So the doc might have been descended from someone who did that task. Or he might be descended from a person from the place in Austria, or Germany, called "Asperg". If the later then the correct pronunciation would be "asperg" with the g as in 'god'.

There's a cosmic absurdism possibility as well, not something I'd tell people to take deadly serious but going more into theories of consciousness like functionalism with multiple realizability and stuff like that.

A bit like 'Berney Madeoff' or 'Sam Bankman-Fried', where there's something really ironic about last names and their involvement in what people end up doing. While I wouldn't wager my livelihood on it I'm open to the consideration that this is either how the universe dreams or at least how aggregate levels of semi-conscious 'stuff' above individual human levels of cognition (and perhaps not nearly as awake) end up chaining ideas and suggestions together which flow down to people. Like the way synchronicities seem to play on often superficial connections it seems to have that kind of fingerprint, and I'm not sure - if looking at it that way - how big a deal asperj vs. asperg would make.

Obviously anyone can take or leave that based on how they view the world (idealism, reductive physicalism, naive realism, or whatever else). I think in my own case, while it's typically felt a bit childish and conspiracy theorists love playing name-games and thinking it's the 'Illuminati' taunting people, I don't see any evidence for groups of humans doing that sort of thing (groups of people can hardly order a pizza without falling out) but I'm a lot more open to the possibility that egregores / group minds are actually a real thing with potential for downward causation. That could also imply that we're running around the subconscious regions of a really large brain if we flip it around and you'd have superficial rhyming-type associations having some degree of connective power just because it's a common heuristic for neural networks (or at least wet / biological ones) to run.


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21 Dec 2022, 3:17 am

A bit late to answer OP's original post, but I find the question very interresting. Before I knew I'm on the spectrum I used to think of myself as an angel, stupid as it might sound at first. This is because in the abrahamic religions, angels are said to lack the flows the humans have related to the "freedom of choice" God gave them. Angels simply worship and obey God. And I felt that I was always less motivated than NT's regarding selfish acquisition of things from the universe, like money, cars, women, prestige etc. I felt uninterested in such "wordly" things, which I found to be short sighted and morally dubious. I found myself more interested in knowing about the universe and being in awe by it.



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23 Dec 2022, 8:46 pm

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I told my therapist there were times growing up that I felt like an "Alien".

She invoked CBT and asked me if I could thing of a more positive word than "Alien".

Feeling a bit contrary I listed all the words I had been called that were decidedly WORSE than "Alien".

So: What word would you call yourself (or like to be called) to replace "Alien" ?


What is the point of trying to use a meaningless word? Alien gets the idea across VERY WELL! An alien is someone or something that is strange, out of place, and often treated differently from LESS alien things.

And you aren't insulting yourself. In fact I have often felt like an alien, and put it that way. I came here, saw the little alien, and figured it fit! I don't look like him, but I DO identify with the idea of an alien SCRUTINIZING things!



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24 Dec 2022, 2:45 pm

Extra terrestrial?


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24 Dec 2022, 6:08 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Yes. Ive brought that up before...as a possible origin of the good doctor's name who discovered the condition.

An "asperger" can be the person who does the task of sprinkling holy water in a Catholic Church (like an alter boy). IF so then the correct English pronounciation would be "asperJers". Because how the word is pronounced in English.

So the doc might have been descended from someone who did that task. Or he might be descended from a person from the place in Austria, or Germany, called "Asperg". If the later then the correct pronunciation would be "asperg" with the g as in 'god'.

There's a cosmic absurdism possibility as well, not something I'd tell people to take deadly serious but going more into theories of consciousness like functionalism with multiple realizability and stuff like that.

A bit like 'Berney Madeoff' or 'Sam Bankman-Fried', where there's something really ironic about last names and their involvement in what people end up doing. While I wouldn't wager my livelihood on it I'm open to the consideration that this is either how the universe dreams or at least how aggregate levels of semi-conscious 'stuff' above individual human levels of cognition (and perhaps not nearly as awake) end up chaining ideas and suggestions together which .


I have noticed that too... that historic figures often have oddly appropriate surnames. Good ways and in bad ways.

You cant imagine the history of modern France without Charles De Gaul. And... somehow fate gave him the perfect surname: "De Gaul" (of Gaul). Gaul being the ancient Roman province that is the same piece of land that is now the country of France. So he was "of France".

There was someone else like that in history ive thought about - but I cant recall now who it was at the moment.

Arguably you could say that about Eisenhower (German for "iron huer") because he was good at wielding huge masses men in steel war vehicles artillery and tanks.

Certainly "Bernie Madoff" made off with billons. Cant help but to see the coincidence there.

But in your post you seemed to have forgotten to bring it back around to Dr. Aspergers- and seemed to have forgotten what your own point was going to be.

Maybe you were gonna say that "if you have been diagnosed with Asperger's you are one of the 'anointed' (had holy water sprinkled upon you"? :)



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24 Dec 2022, 6:43 pm

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Maybe you were gonna say that "if you have been diagnosed with Asperger's you are one of the 'anointed' (had holy water sprinkled upon you"? :)

Well, asperging being flicking holy water we'd be the anointers technically.

We're the voice in the wilderness saying "Make straight the way of the Vulcan! Live long and prosper!"

Adding a controversial hot take - Elon Musk is clearly smudging Twitter, which is a bit like polishing a movement but taking on big and dirty jobs just seems to be what he's into.


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