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So while everybody is talking about stereotypes and how they should NOT be used, I am unsure as to whether or not I should point out the fact that most refer to another group in this forum... NTs. It really is no different. Someone could defend this by saying "But they make things so hard!" (kind of echoing the response as to why there is negative connotation in the Jewish stereotypes and comments), but it doesn't change that it is just another stereotype all around. Somebody could easily be offended by the fact their family members are NT, or that they know some who are extremely understanding, etc.

Just as someone can easily be bothered by the "Jew" comment, there are many other groups that are talked about regularly in the same context.

I have been a bit racist against NT, especially those at the rudeboy/ chav end of the spectrum.

It is down to them not being different is, its down to NTs make assumptions that everything would be better off being the same and seeing thing too much in black and white. This attitude would hatred and disrespect.

I was reading and article about teenage criminals and there was a mention of their warped view of reality where they think they have the right to screw people over, especially these types, which I am sure cover nearly all human kind:

The foolishly naïve deserve to be screwed over because they are stupid. Mister goody goody man who thinks he is s**t smell better then the rest of us. Mr in your face big head, who thinks he is all it. And mr sleazy who tries to rip off everyone. And finally mr coward who prefers not to get be confrontational.

They don’t think to themselves they are screwing over honest people better then myself There criminal activity is driven by hatred of their fellow man. That very attitude exists to a varying degree in many NTs.

Wow. Somebody pinch me, I think I fell into a a time warp to the middle ages.

Jews have historically been bankers in Christian societies because of the Christian laws prohibiting earning interest on lending money. It's not a job that Jewish people "chose" in order to take advantage of anyone--there was a demand, and they met that demand--presumably because it was the only job they were permitted to do outside of their own communities.

There are all kinds of bankers and lenders, but none of them are evil by virtue of the fact that they're a banker. In fact, anyone who has ever borrowed money from a bank or who has carried a credit card balance (including Zeno here) is directly benefitting from bankers. And while there is no doubt that predatory lending exists, it is a tiny percentage of all loans--and of that tiny percentage, only a fraction are of any particular ethnicity. Ultimately, it's the borrower's job to secure a loan that he can actually afford. The reality of the mortgage meltdown is that borrowers had unrealistic expectations about the RE market, and were voluntarily entering into risky loans. Period.

So to answer Chav's question: yes, saying you got "jewed" is unequivocally offensive.

It's also offensive (and prejudiced) to say that you got "gypped" or to call someone an "Indian-giver."

If you are on these boards (which you are), then you of all people should understand that it's neither appropriate nor acceptable to dis/judge an entire group of people based on hearsay, speculation, and fear.

I have to disagree. Modern day banking is a confidence trick.

video 'money as debt' http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2583451279

That's incorrect - the only restriction on professions during the middle ages in Europe was the requirement to be a part of a crafter's guild(which didn't just let you in) to have certain trades. The fascination with money has been a part of Judaism since long before they arrived in Europe - see the talmud and especially bava metzia, the tractate dealing with lost property etc. You saying "they met that demand" could be said of drug pushers as well.

Money is just a form of energy. The Jews know this. You can be compassionate with money. You can be cruel with it. You can manipulate with it and you can bless with it. It's a currency of Life. So what is the issue here? The question is - are you blessing the world with the money or are you being selfish and hurtful with it. That's all. That's the issue to address. And not a religious, biased, controversial conspiracy filled mind set of who did what to whom - but what are YOU doing right now with what you have.

For heaven's sake! I was working with the gang, not against them. There is nothing inherently offensive at all in what I have written to Jews. You need to understand where I stand on things -- I am all for Shylock and dead set against the Venetians. Always have been and always will be. If you want to borrow money then make sure that you pay it back. There are no innocents in the debt game. Under the guise of internet anonymity, I have fought countless battles in cyberspace and not a few of my opponents have called me a Jew. Unlike many Jews, I take it as an honorific.

There are certain aspects of Jewish culture that seem Aspie inspired. The rocking motions when reciting the Torah, the emphasis on intelligence over social graces, the celebration of traits like chutzpah, the downright insistence on being left alone and of course that feeling of being different, special and chosen.

The trials that Jews have suffered in mainstream WASPy societies do mirror the difficulties many Aspies face in their lives. And I believe that it says more about the embedded hatred in NTs and WASPs than anything else.

It is a simple statement of truth that there is a Jewish dominance in the American consumer debt market. And it cannot be explained simply by taking recourse in myth that Jews were forced into banking because the Christians did not want to be involved in usury. Ever since its formal establishment as a political force, the Church has been a major player in financial markets. In fact the Church was for a time the de facto central bank in Europe. And prior to the Second World War when large numbers of Jewish immigrants came to the United States, banking and finance was almost entirely in the hands of WASPs like JP Morgan.

Even though it maybe politically incorrect, the question of how an America that swings radically to the right might treat minorities like Jews is something that needs to be considered. The coming decades are going to be rough for Americans and they are going to look for someone to blame. If you want to know how the subprime bubble came about look to Greenspan and his “buddies” at places like Bear Stearns. It is not hard to spin a story of how Jewish guys gamed the system to screw over hardworking White folks/Black folks/Hispanic folks.

I think you will find in all oppressed societies a sense of deep rooted hurt and it doesn't take much to get offended and po'd. Blacks and Jews are extroverted when it comes to slights - and will usually fight back with a vengence. Native Americans on the other hand, I've noticed tend to implode and self-destruct. Also the Japanese are like this. It's a toxic shame thing when the past is brought up.

Seems like there is also a group that nothing affects them or seemingly so. They just drink and drug themselves into oblivion rather than introspect and they are the ones usually who play Blame Games - telling the world how they've been wronged by this particular group or another, rather than cop owning up to their own BS behaviors.

Gee, after watching The Sopranos, I thought the Italians were the head of the evil international loan shark rackets!

I find it strange that there are several references here to the idea that Christians are prohibited from lending money while Jews are not. Usury is prohibited in Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy and the Talmud, although there are differences of interpretation of what constitutes usury (ie, what rate of interest is excessive). Likewise, Christianity does not specifically outlaw any form of interest charges. Jesus did throw the money lenders out of the temple, although this could simply be because there presence there was inappropriate. But Jesus also scolded a person for letting his money sit idle instead of investing it with a bank at interest. (Matt. 25:27; Luke 19:23)

Charging a reasonable rate of interest makes sense. Currencies inflate, which means that money is usually worth less a year from now than it is today (paying back with moderate interest is necessary to maintain value of the principal). Opportunity costs are also real - if I loan money to a friend, that is money that I am not putting into stock investments or my personal vineyard, so it costs me something to make a loan. I wouldn't charge 157% like some of those payday-loan places, and I wouldn't break kneecaps if the person was a day late in paying. But I wouldn't be evil if I loaned a friend a bit with a modest rate of interest.

We are not talking about what the Gospel or any other text is understood as saying by you or any other Christian now living. Texts and religious organizations are understood differently in different times. The fact is that Christian societies in Medieval times understood money lending as evil and only as their economies expanded and it became more and more necessary did they come to allow Christians to practice it! You can look at the texts and decide how you want to interpret them for yourself but this does not change the historical record of how they were interpreted in the past!

Jewish financiers run the Republican party? Really this is hogwash. Too many innocents have been murdered because of foolish conspiracy theories like this.

I am going to stop watching this thread but I hope you will study some history. Speculation leads to overvaluing of commodities and bubble which burst. Investors who borrow money to bet on "sure things" get hurt. Remember the dot/com bubble? (this is a rhetorical question, I won't be involved in this discussion anymore!)

I was going to go on a rant about the gay Jew conspiracy in Hollywood but it seems like everyone here is too politically correct to have a sense of humor.

The bible, religion, history should the subject be about how we handle differences of cultrue.

Jews were subject to many other restrictions. In Spain, for example, the First Council of Toledo, in 589, forbade Jews from any position where they might have authority over a Christian, or the ability to punish them, and specifically allowed for the freeing of all serfs owned by Jews. In an economy which was very heavily agricultural, this was a huge exclusion. They could be merchants in the towns, practice crafts or provide services, but could never rise to a level of authority. Because pogroms were common, most fell into lines of work which allowed them to grab their goods and flee; musicians, translators, jewellers, and the like. Scholarship was emphasised for the same reason, it's a lot easier to flee with a head full of skills than it is with a wagonload of materials. Banking was encouraged by anti-usary laws which forbade Christians from making loans with interest, but at the same time Jews (including those who had converted to Christianity) were hobbled by being forbidden from testifying in a court of law, so if someone cheated them, it was just too bad.

In countries other than Spain, details differed; some places forbade Jews from riding horses, others from owning land, and so on. But the effects were usually very similar, and very discriminatory.

Ok, you have me convinced on that - there is a difference between theory and practice through history.